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        03-08-2013, 08:41 PM
      #21
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    Sounds like he has to stop sympathizing with the horse use the logic & brain between his ears not his legs.Which is ALSO the reason the horse should be gelded & make for a better riding horse for you.
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        03-09-2013, 02:57 PM
      #22
    Weanling
    There is also some evidence (Though not everyone agrees!) to suggest that gelding before puberty results in a taller mature height due to the testosterone not closing the growth plates early. I concur with the idea that a testosterone driven life with no opportunity to have an outlet for that (Breeding) would be terrible. The isolation necessary to ensure no unwanted breedings. The difficulty finding venues for riding/training/showing/boarding. All seems completely unnecessary to me. In fact, I wish they had a quicker, easier methods to spay mares too!
    Also, testicular cancer is a non issue with a gelding....just sayin.
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        03-09-2013, 03:04 PM
      #23
    Showing
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    Originally Posted by Jalter    
    I found a guy that is horse smart AND will let me keep a horse for myself.
    What do you mean he'll LET YOU keep a horse for yourself? Aren't you an able bodied adult who can think and pay for things yourself? Why the heck would you need a man to 'let you' do anything? If you're that dependent on him, I suggest you get a job and learn to take care of yourself.

    As far as him thinking it's 'not fair' just because a horse has bad breeding, that's the MAIN reason you geld other than temperament.

    Regardless of what you say, he sure as heck doesn't sound very horse smart to me.
         
        03-09-2013, 03:40 PM
      #24
    Weanling
    Another thing i've heard about stallions (correct me if i'm wrong) is that the longer they are left as "stallions" means that they learn stallion behaviour and re-training them out of it can be difficult - if they are gelded at a younger age, they don't learn the whole "mares are the centre of my universe" thinking.
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        03-09-2013, 03:59 PM
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    If you can't handle a horse if he is intact, then more than likely the problem lies with your handling. Gelding will help take some factors out of the equation, but gelding is not a magic cure-all for male behavioral issues.

    If there is no intent to breed, and no incentive to breed from the horse(Ie. Being breeding quality. Bloodlines, conformation, temperament, training, all that fun stuff), then yes, it is a good idea to geld. What if you had to sell him? A lot of people have strong reservations about buying a stallion due to mishandling. That will only cause the horse to decrease in value.

    Studs are liabilities. What if your neighbor gets a mare and he decides to jump the fence for a visit? What if he causes property damage or hurts your neighbor's horse or other livestock? What if he is hit by a car on the road?

    Nah, unless you have intent to breed, there is far too much potential stress involved. Geld him to stave off worries. If he is well behaved and well handled now, and you are not in a position financially for the procedure, then great. Keep handling him well until you do.
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        03-09-2013, 04:13 PM
      #26
    Weanling
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    Originally Posted by LadyDreamer    
    If you can't handle a horse if he is intact, then more than likely the problem lies with your handling. Gelding will help take some factors out of the equation, but gelding is not a magic cure-all for male behavioral issues.

    I've personally never had a stallion - so I couldn't comment on my handling of one - my sons ex had one and he was the sweetest horse around - until he was sent away to "learn some manners for a stallion grading" and then he changed, was fearful and guarded of everyone - I think he'd been trained how "stallions" are trained, even though he was the easiest horse to handle - it was just a theory i'd heard - but if my baby's a colt, he'll be nutless before he even knows what they are
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        03-09-2013, 04:18 PM
      #27
    Trained
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    Originally Posted by Reckyroo    
    Another thing i've heard about stallions (correct me if i'm wrong) is that the longer they are left as "stallions" means that they learn stallion behaviour and re-training them out of it can be difficult - if they are gelded at a younger age, they don't learn the whole "mares are the centre of my universe" thinking.
    I think it depends on the stallion. I rode a Peruvian paso who had been used as a breeding stallion his whole life and was gelded at 13. He was a perfect gentleman around all horses, mares in heat or not.
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        03-09-2013, 04:21 PM
      #28
    Weanling
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    Originally Posted by DraftyAiresMum    
    I think it depends on the stallion. I rode a Peruvian paso who had been used as a breeding stallion his whole life and was gelded at 13. He was a perfect gentleman around all horses, mares in heat or not.
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    My son's ex's stallion was the same - never tried to run a fence, or push himself onto our mare until he was allowed in the field with her with the intention of breeding - which he did - but that didn't change his behaviour towards us or the mare x

    Like I said, it was a theory i'd heard and wasn't sure if the stallion I knew was a rarity
         
        03-09-2013, 04:28 PM
      #29
    Weanling
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    Originally Posted by Speed Racer    
    What do you mean he'll LET YOU keep a horse for yourself? Aren't you an able bodied adult who can think and pay for things yourself? Why the heck would you need a man to 'let you' do anything? If you're that dependent on him, I suggest you get a job and learn to take care of yourself.

    As far as him thinking it's 'not fair' just because a horse has bad breeding, that's the MAIN reason you geld other than temperament.

    Regardless of what you say, he sure as heck doesn't sound very horse smart to me.
    I don't see why you have to be rude. You don't know our situation, so I suggest you don't tell me how to live my life. I have a job, and am more than capable of taking care of myself. We share finances, so yes, I care if the expenses of a horse bother him. It doesn't so it's no issue.
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        03-09-2013, 04:34 PM
      #30
    Green Broke
    You can have they bestest stallion in the world.... He could have perfect conformation, temperment and training....

    90% of the time they will be angels!
    10% they will be absolute sh*t heads...

    You always have to watch them because if they see a mare and you don't get their attention back to you quickly, they will run you over to get to that mare. You can NEVER turn your back to a stallion. They are hardwired to fight and breed. They don't even know they are going to do it but then some instinct clicks in their mind and they just do it...

    Mare and gelding that are mentally sound, will always think before they do something because they will figure out if thy are going to get punished for the action they will perform...

    Such as biting... They will get smacked
    But they know if they walk up to you and nuzzle you they wont
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