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        03-12-2013, 03:05 PM
      #41
    Yearling
    The logic that if the stallion is too hard to handle, sell him to someone who can handle him is also a little flawed on your boyfriend's part (not meaning that offensively.) By the time you've discovered this stallion is too much to handle, chances are he'll have already learned bad behaviours or be expressing the aggression that is natural to him and you're not going to find him to be very marketable to anyone, no matter what their experience is. IMO, if you have an unmanageable, aggressive stallion (or any horse for that matter), you are increasing his vulnerability to end up in a bad home or meet abuse.
         
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        03-12-2013, 03:32 PM
      #42
    Trained
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    Originally Posted by Jalter    
    He's actually very horse-smart. He just doesn't think chopping off a horses nuts is fair when he didn't do anything wrong. It's not the horse's fault that he had bad breeding or faulty trainers. I see what he means, but fair or not, its something that needs to be done.
    He's an idiot and if you buy into his thinking......well, let's say you're well suited to each other.

    I own stallions and I have a HUGE liability policy to cover me if my horse ever gets out, breeds a mare whose owner didn't want bred, breaks down the fences between me and my neighbors, loses his mind and decides to hurt a human. That policy caused my "escrow" portion of my house payment to go up $400/month. Do you have that kind of money to p*ss away on a stallion, who in your own words is not breeding quality? Or will you just run bare and cross your fingers?

    My stallions are easy going, respectful and can be ridden in any crowd and unless someone looks, they'd never know the horse was intact. They are used for breeding, and the second one of them gets out of line, they lose their parts; doesn't matter what I paid for them.

    You are already subscribing to the beliefs that a stallion is a wild, fiery beast who can't truly be controlled or handled. If he misbehaves you'll say, "Well, he's a STALLION!" as if that explains everything and he will go on to become a monster until you have to put him down because you can't handle him any longer.

    If he's not only breed quality but such an outstanding specimen he takes your breath away, then geld him. You're doing him a favor.

    If the boyfriend persists in his thinking, find another boyfriend.
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        03-12-2013, 03:38 PM
      #43
    Foal
    I'm with everyone else on this one. If you're not in the breeding business (for the right reasons) then there isn't 1 good reason to keep a male horse intact. There are too many good reason's to geld him to list so i'll save the time...most of them have already been listed in this thread already ;)
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        03-12-2013, 03:50 PM
      #44
    Green Broke
    Quite frankly, it sounds like your boyfriend has made his mind up already using his own testicles which is just asinine.

    I don't care how "horse smart" he thinks he is, anyone who tries to justify such ignorant thinking by anthropomorphizing a stallion is the LAST person who should be ever handling a stallion. That kind of arrogance around horses is what gets OTHER people hurt. *shakes head*
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        03-12-2013, 03:55 PM
      #45
    Weanling
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Dreamcatcher Arabians    
    He's an idiot and if you buy into his thinking......well, let's say you're well suited to each other.

    I own stallions and I have a HUGE liability policy to cover me if my horse ever gets out, breeds a mare whose owner didn't want bred, breaks down the fences between me and my neighbors, loses his mind and decides to hurt a human. That policy caused my "escrow" portion of my house payment to go up $400/month. Do you have that kind of money to p*ss away on a stallion, who in your own words is not breeding quality? Or will you just run bare and cross your fingers?

    My stallions are easy going, respectful and can be ridden in any crowd and unless someone looks, they'd never know the horse was intact. They are used for breeding, and the second one of them gets out of line, they lose their parts; doesn't matter what I paid for them.

    You are already subscribing to the beliefs that a stallion is a wild, fiery beast who can't truly be controlled or handled. If he misbehaves you'll say, "Well, he's a STALLION!" as if that explains everything and he will go on to become a monster until you have to put him down because you can't handle him any longer.

    If he's not only breed quality but such an outstanding specimen he takes your breath away, then geld him. You're doing him a favor.

    If the boyfriend persists in his thinking, find another boyfriend.
    I never said I agree with it. Reread the opening post. I'm looking for more reasons to EXPLAIN to him why I don't want a stallion. I never said I'd get one, I'm just trying to show him WHY I don't want one, just so we can avoid the drama in the future if we find the perfect horse that I want to geld.

    You do not know who he is, so I suggest you don't insult people unless you do; otherwise, you sir, are the idiot. And why would I dump my boyfriend because he didn't understand one point? I know plenty of horse people with a significant other that knows absolutely nothing about horses. That is no reason to look for a different guy. As long as we are throwing around insults here, you must be a shallow know-it-all.
         
        03-12-2013, 03:59 PM
      #46
    Weanling
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by MacabreMikolaj    
    Quite frankly, it sounds like your boyfriend has made his mind up already using his own testicles which is just asinine.

    I don't care how "horse smart" he thinks he is, anyone who tries to justify such ignorant thinking by anthropomorphizing a stallion is the LAST person who should be ever handling a stallion. That kind of arrogance around horses is what gets OTHER people hurt. *shakes head*
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    Reread the original post please. We are not getting a stallion. I started this thread so I could pull together the reasons not to get one. Someday I may find the perfect horse. What if he is a stallion, and I want to geld him? I want to have my reasons set up. I'm sure everyone here wanted a "pretty black stallion" as a little kid. Did people go around calling you stupid for thinking that? No, they probably explained to you why it was a bad idea. What is the difference here?

    I am fully aware that getting a stallion is a bad idea, and after reading the (helpful) answers, my boyfriend now understands as well. What I posted wasn't his absolute last opinion, that's just what he thought before seeing the reasons.
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        03-12-2013, 04:00 PM
      #47
    Green Broke
    If you don't have the horse already, don't even look at a stallion.

    As for the perfect horse.....make it a point that no stallion will ever be the perfect horse for you.


    Problem solved!
         
        03-12-2013, 04:11 PM
      #48
    Trained
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Jalter    
    I know plenty of horse people with a significant other that knows absolutely nothing about horses. That is no reason to look for a different guy. As long as we are throwing around insults here, you must be a shallow know-it-all.
    LOL! I may be a shallow know it all, it's possible. But I am a very safety conscious shallow know it all, who has 40 plus years of horse knowledge and experience, most of which involve handling stallions. First for my parents breeding operation and now for my own operations. I, indeed, married a man (I'm not a sir btw) who knew nothing about horses, and even after 22 years of mostly happy marriage catch myself thinking, "Why the H*LL did I marry a non-horseman? Life would be so much easier if......"

    If you truly do know people who have non-horsemen in their lives, then you probably also know that there's no way in the world that they would allow this non-horseman to make decisions/dictate policy about how the horses are cared for, what kind of training/treatment they'd receive or whether or not a horse should be gelded. I don't and have never consulted with my husband on anything pertaining to horses, except whether or not the budget would stand for me to add another one. He doesn't consult with me about his medical practice, so we're even.

    We have a standing joke around here when he tries to overstep his bounds into my business. I hold up a pair of my shorts and ask him, "Who wears these pants? Can you get into them?" In the beginning he fell for it and said, "Well, they're your pants, no I can't get into those, they're way too small.". I replied, "Well sir, if you don't change your attitude, they'll remain too small and you'll never get into them.". He got the hint.
         
        03-12-2013, 04:13 PM
      #49
    Weanling
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Taffy Clayton    
    If you don't have the horse already, don't even look at a stallion.

    As for the perfect horse.....make it a point that no stallion will ever be the perfect horse for you.


    Problem solved!
    As someone said earlier, a great stallion will be an even better gelding. Why would a stallion be a horrible idea if that's the case? If he is an amazing mount, good ground manners, etc, then he would be an even better horse after gelding him.
         
        03-12-2013, 04:16 PM
      #50
    Green Broke
    Here's an idea - maybe articulate a little better and try sounding slightly less like your boyfriend wears the pants and you're just a weak female without a say and maybe we wouldn't jump to those conclusions.

    Clearly you can't read either considering I never stated nor insinuated that you had or were getting a stallion. Good grief.
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