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        06-03-2013, 12:39 PM
      #31
    Trained
    The "none of your business argument." *sigh* Don't want something to be the business of someone you don't know online? Don't post it.

    OP there are very valid concerns raised. The breeding section gets quite volatile that is why there is a warning you have to agree with before posting in this section. If I were in you're place I would call my vet and get a shot of lute for the mare and keep her away from the stud.
         
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        06-03-2013, 01:04 PM
      #32
    Trained
    There is no reason a breeding section of a forum should be volatile.
    If we don't agree with some ones opinion or their breeding program then like Dreamcatchers has posted give your advice and let it go.
    A foal is not going to impact the world. We are not talking politics, religion, or science here. No reason for any controversy.
    There are people that are passionate about the horse industry. That's great. They want to give sound advice to new members , that I have no problem with. In fact we should encourage this.
    How we word our advice is as important as the information we give.
    Starting an arguement with anyone is not going to change their minds. In fact the opposite is more likely to happen.
    Make suggestions. No one wants a lecture.
    There are some very knowledgeable members here OP listen to them. Dealing with a foal destined to die is not pleasant. You sound like a young person. There are easier ways to learn the hard lessons about owning a horse than watching a foal die. Shalom
         
        06-03-2013, 01:11 PM
      #33
    Yearling
    Lets see what I can add here.
    I have learned a lot.and has suspicions raised since I have joined his forum. Accidental breedings happen, I had a tree fall on a fence in a storm. It made it easy for my stallion to escape his enclosure and breed a buckskin paint mare. Now ups of that breeding were both mare and stallion were built beautifully, both had great lineage, and both had stellar personalities. Now, she wasnt pregnant. But she is gettig bred to this stallion, actually was last month.
    As for a rescue, it is impossible to register a foal unless boh parents are registered, or ine parent registered in a color registration. Now, having a rescue mare increases any risks there are with mares owners know and have been tested, not to mention her age.
    I had a four year old be bought from and auction house, beautiful solid paint. She was registered but after having her for eleven month, I found a bag under her belly. I had no idea she was bred let alone who to. Now her foal came out perfectly fine
    , but her motherly instincts were terrible.
    Now if you know the stallion and he's registered under a color registration, the process to get to foal registered could be expensive. I am having to DNA test my colt to his sire since the owner refused to give me my breeding certificate. It can cost $300 or more just to prove your foals lineage.
    Are you prepared to pay the costs of extra feed, supplements, vet bills, or any tragic steps that can posdibly happen like losing your mare or foal or even both?
    Are you prepared to possibly get the worst conformarional faults or personality or maybe get the good side? What about a regecting mother?
    Do you have everything you will need if it comes down to complications?
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        06-03-2013, 01:13 PM
      #34
    Trained
    You may think there isn't a reason for the breeding section to be volatile, but apparently the admin/owner of this site thought so since the warning was put in place.

    It IS a volatile subject due to poster's strong beliefs in regards to horse breeding.
         
        06-03-2013, 01:24 PM
      #35
    Started
    I just have one thing to say about the resulting foal not being registerable... It may not be registerable in a 'true' registry or association, such as the AQHA or TWHBEA or whatever, but, if you just want it registered for proof of 'ownership', there's always the ACTHA (American Competitive Trail Horse Association), which is what I'm planning on registering my horses in eventually. It may not be an 'official' registry, but it's pretty darned nice.
         
        06-03-2013, 01:29 PM
      #36
    Foal
    Okay so, how do I check her bloodlines? Can the vet get blood samples? We've had a successful foal with the stallion already but ill double check his bloodlines just to be sure. If she's pregnant with twins then I will for sure let the vet take one. Ill put up pics tonight of her and the stallion. If she does have a disease or something bad ill have the vet get rid of the baby.
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        06-03-2013, 01:38 PM
      #37
    Yearling
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Serenity    
    Okay so, how do I check her bloodlines? Can the vet get blood samples? We've had a successful foal with the stallion already but ill double check his bloodlines just to be sure. If she's pregnant with twins then I will for sure let the vet take one. Ill put up pics tonight of her and the stallion. If she does have a disease or something bad ill have the vet get rid of the baby.
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    It is literally almost impossible to check your mares bloodlines with little to know idea who she's out of.
    It helps a little bit that the stallion had a decent foal, but hat doesnt mean they will throw a good foal together. Conformation could come out terribly or personality as well.
         
        06-03-2013, 01:46 PM
      #38
    Trained
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    Originally Posted by Serenity    
    Okay so, how do I check her bloodlines? Can the vet get blood samples? We've had a successful foal with the stallion already but ill double check his bloodlines just to be sure. If she's pregnant with twins then I will for sure let the vet take one. Ill put up pics tonight of her and the stallion. If she does have a disease or something bad ill have the vet get rid of the baby.
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    The main thing you need to do is figure out what breed you think the mare is. If she's Quarter Horse based, then there's a hereditary disease panel you should do (*Combination (HYPP, HERDA, GBED, PSSM, MH)
    $95.00 US). If the stallion or the mare are Paint or Pinto types, then you should check for Lethal White on both horses in addition to the Hereditary panel, to know if it's possible to have an OLWS foal. If neither or only 1 parent carries the gene, everything is good, if they both carry it, it could mean a foal that dies in the first 72 hours. If they're Arabians, then you would need to check for SCID, CA and LFS.

    That's why we're asking to see pics of both horses and a pedigree if available on the stud.
         
        06-03-2013, 02:06 PM
      #39
    Yearling
    OP, how old are you? I'm just curious. I know you intend to keep the foal if your mare is pregnant, but if you are just a teenager/college student/whatever, how do you know if you will be able to finance 2 horses? Less people want grade horses, even though I personally prefer them. I own an "odd" cross right now, whom I registered as half arabian. For some breed associations, only one parent has to be registered. As Britt said, you could register the foal with the Competitive Trail Horse Association.

    There are many options, but sometimes the horse breeding business is a complicated place. My neighbor bred a half NSH half Mountain Pleasure horse, and it took 3 years to sell it. Purebred, registered horses are easier to sell, and if I was ever in a money pinch, I would end up being able to sell the registered ones a whole bunch easier. You really need to think about the foal in the long term, not just selfish reasons of wanting to keep it, etc etc. I personally wouldn't support a horse abortion, but I also wouldn't want my future foal to have the slightest chance of being neglected or ending up in slaughter.

    This is not meant to offend you, I just really hope that you really think about this. Even she is pregnant and you decide to keep the foal, you BETTER update us with pregnancy pictures, hoo-ha pictures and foal pictures! ^_^ My best horse is a half arabian half rocky mountain, and he kicks all of the purebred horses asses at shows! (Excuse my language)

    Best wishes,
    Kylie
         
        06-03-2013, 02:11 PM
      #40
    Green Broke
    Serenity .. welcome to the forum!

    I'm sorry your mare was accidently bred, but I'm glad that you decided to ask questions and seek some advice.

    If your mare is pg and you are determined to see the pgcy through -- and that is YOUR right -- then your best friend should be your vet. He/she can tell you what vaccinations, feed, supplements your mare might need .. and you'll probably find him/her less judgemental than anonymous forum people. He/she can also talk to you about the testing .. and probably without scaring you.

    There will always be folks that will condemn a less-than-perfectly-planned breeding, or the breeding of a grade horse. They have their reasons, but they aren't in your shoes right now.

    There is always a risk with breeding and foaling, but the vast majority of mares foal without issue.

    Take a breath, be in contact with your vet, filter through the rude posts and glean all the info you can.

    Give your mare a kiss for me..

    And, again .. welcome to the forum.
         

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