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        06-03-2013, 02:44 PM
      #41
    Trained
    I am pretty certain the admin or owners of this site placed that warning there because they were tired of either closing threads or having threads reported.
    The only people who find breeding controversial and make it a volatile subject are the ones that choose to. The ones who In my PROFESSIONAL Opinion merely want to argue and bully. That's basic psychology.
    I understand the frustration of reading about accidental breedings and worry about the prospects of the foal. Nothing wrong with that. It is the condescending manner some people use in their post that's the problem. Shalom
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        06-03-2013, 02:46 PM
      #42
    Trained
    OP if the stallion is a registered purebred arabian you can register that foal.
    I don't know of any other registries that do though. Good luck with the foal if she is pregnant.
    Keep asking questions just overlook the criticism. Shalom
         
        06-03-2013, 02:50 PM
      #43
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    Originally Posted by dbarabians    
    I am pretty certain the admin or owners of this site placed that warning there because they were tired of either closing threads or having threads reported.
    The only people who find breeding controversial and make it a volatile subject are the ones that choose to. The ones who In my PROFESSIONAL Opinion merely want to argue and bully. That's basic psychology.
    I understand the frustration of reading about accidental breedings and worry about the prospects of the foal. Nothing wrong with that. It is the condescending manner some people use in their post that's the problem. Shalom
    Professional opinion could be used in so many ways. So sorry, doesn't fly with this thread.

    I can't speak for everyone else, but I know a good majority of us don't speak up so we can "bully". We are speaking up to keep the numbers lower in the kill pen. Its "only" one horse. But its one less horse.

    Breeding for the sake of breeding because you want a cute little baby out of your precious Suzy Q because she was your bff is silly. And allowing a known "oops" breeding to continue on when you know nothing about your mare is just irresponsible. I am not talking about the OP, she just happens to be an example from thousands.

    If the mare was a cross bred but you know her history and she has a good sound mind and conformation and you know the stallion and this cross will likely bring a baby that would be easy to rehome should something happen, well then its not as bad. But a rescue mare you know nothing about is just another baby out there with an increased risk of the kill pen. People scream and yell they want slaughter to end. Well stop adding to the population that feeds the slaughter houses.
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        06-03-2013, 02:57 PM
      #44
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    Originally Posted by NBEventer    
    Professional opinion could be used in so many ways. So sorry, doesn't fly with this thread.
    Huh? People are people .. horse people aren't exempt from the opinion of a professional in dba's field... I think he has a pretty good handle on what likely motivates people.
         
        06-03-2013, 03:00 PM
      #45
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    Originally Posted by texasgal    
    Huh? People are people .. horse people aren't exempt from the opinion of a professional in dba's field... I think he has a pretty good handle on what likely motivates people.
    Not going to lie, my wording failed big time with this sentence and caused me to completely throw a pie in my face in terms of my point. So i'm just going to drop that line. If it wasn't to late to edit it out I would.

    The rest of my post I stand by.
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        06-03-2013, 04:23 PM
      #46
    Trained
    NBeventer, I am not talking about you or ndappy being bullies. I do not think either of you are.
    Both of you are very knowledgeable especially about the genetic disorders .
    NDappy and I have established a nice friendship on the forum.
    She is intelligent and a warm caring person we have PMed each other to give support when life has taken a harsh turn.
    My post was about the need to include the warning about this thread being volatile and controversial.
    The OP took offense at some of the comments.
    This thread and forum are great tools to learn from.
    If our advice is given as a suggestion instead of as written in stone the OP and others might be more inclined to digest the information.
    That IMO would do a lot to ease the problem of the surplus horse population.
    Shalom
         
        06-03-2013, 07:34 PM
      #47
    Trained
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    Originally Posted by NdAppy    
    The "none of your business argument." *sigh* Don't want something to be the business of someone you don't know online? Don't post it.

    OP there are very valid concerns raised. The breeding section gets quite volatile that is why there is a warning you have to agree with before posting in this section. If I were in you're place I would call my vet and get a shot of lute for the mare and keep her away from the stud.
    Appy, it's partially the "none of your Beezwax" arguement and partially it's because she stated very clearly in her 2nd post on this topic,

    "If she's pregnant I'm deffinently going through with her pregnancy."

    Once that's said, flushing or aborting the pregnancy in any way is off the table. If she'd been the least bit hesitant in her decision I could see maybe trying to talk to her some more about options, but she was very clear on her wishes. At that point, it's none of my business and all about just trying to be helpful. I had already talked about giving a Lutalyse or Prostin shot, or flushing or several of the ways an unwanted pregnancy can be terminated. She let me know very quickly and very clearly that those were not options she cared to discuss.

    I wouldn't push a 14 year old girl who got pregnant once she clearly stated, "I will not terminate this pregnancy, I will carry to term.". End of discussion, at least for me.
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        06-03-2013, 07:49 PM
      #48
    Yearling
    Hi Serenity, Welcome to the forum! I'm entering this thread a little late, so what I have to say may have already been mentioned. Please forgive me if I'm repeating anything. I read some of your posts, but mostly I only skimmed the last 4 pages.

    First off, if you find people are being rude, don't take it personally. Just report it to the moderators. Just because there is a disclaimer that breeding is a touchy subject, does not give people license to be rude. Also remember that emotions aren't conveyed through written word (unless there are emoticons used!) and so it's difficult to sometimes interpret what people's actual intentions are. A forward or direct reply may only be just that, with no malice intended.

    Now that I've gotten that out of the way, let's talk about your mare. Even if she was only with the stallion for a few hours, she could very well be pregnant. An example I can give is my mare, who I intentionally bred this year. She is a 12 year old maiden, and was only covered twice by the stallion. When I took her to the vet for an US, the vet was 99% positive, that based on the size of the embryo, she caught on the very first breeding.

    If you're set on keeping the baby, then you're taking a step in the right direction to learn what you can. If you're planning on getting your mare ultrasounded to know for sure, also find out from your vet what the potential costs are. Things such as mileage, after hours dispatch in the case of an emergency, basic examinations, etc. will at least give you a baseline as to what you could be incurring for vet costs. Don't forget vaccinations, deworming, etc. Your vet should be able to provide you with a schedule of when you should deworm, vaccinate, etc. Your vet should also be able to tell you about feeding and vitamins. A lot of feeding is based on mineral levels and plants in your area. Some areas are extremely high for things like iodine or selenium, while other areas are lacking in those minerals and so you would need to supplement. The type of hay available to you will also determine if and what you need to supplement.

    The other thing you should do is research, research, research! Buy books, subscribe to magazines, talk to knowledgeable people both online and in person. I find a handy resource is thehorse.com. It's a free subscription and there is often some good information in there. I also have a subscription to Equus magazine.

    As someone mentioned earlier, find out as much as you can about your mare's history. I know my mare's entire history and I still had her genetically tested for the 5 common genetic disorders found in QH's (HYPP, HERDA, etc.) as well as Lethal White. It was more for my own peace of mind than anything and the cost of these tests is minimal when you look at what a potential vet bill might be without knowing.

    Lastly, pictures are a must. Grade or not, she sounds like she's pretty special to you and worth sharing.
         
        06-03-2013, 08:37 PM
      #49
    Foal
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by NBEventer    
    Professional opinion could be used in so many ways. So sorry, doesn't fly with this thread.

    I can't speak for everyone else, but I know a good majority of us don't speak up so we can "bully". We are speaking up to keep the numbers lower in the kill pen. Its "only" one horse. But its one less horse.

    Breeding for the sake of breeding because you want a cute little baby out of your precious Suzy Q because she was your bff is silly. And allowing a known "oops" breeding to continue on when you know nothing about your mare is just irresponsible. I am not talking about the OP, she just happens to be an example from thousands.

    If the mare was a cross bred but you know her history and she has a good sound mind and conformation and you know the stallion and this cross will likely bring a baby that would be easy to rehome should something happen, well then its not as bad. But a rescue mare you know nothing about is just another baby out there with an increased risk of the kill pen. People scream and yell they want slaughter to end. Well stop adding to the population that feeds the slaughter houses.
    I'm not irresponsible. Obviously I'm getting advice and considering taking the baby away if it is in danger. If your going to say that I'm just adding to the population that feeds the slaughter house then don't post here. I'm seeking advice so I can keep my mare safe. I'm tired of people saying that I'm adding to the neglected horses in this world. I know horse breeding is not easy and that's why I'm trying to get some help. So stop with the negativity towards me. I'm just trying to help my horse.
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        06-03-2013, 08:48 PM
      #50
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    Originally Posted by Serenity    
    I'm not irresponsible. Obviously I'm getting advice and considering taking the baby away if it is in danger. If your going to say that I'm just adding to the population that feeds the slaughter house then don't post here. I'm seeking advice so I can keep my mare safe. I'm tired of people saying that I'm adding to the neglected horses in this world. I know horse breeding is not easy and that's why I'm trying to get some help. So stop with the negativity towards me. I'm just trying to help my horse.
    That post wasn't directed towards you. I was just speaking in general. Lower the hackles. One of the disadvantages of the internet is it doesn't relay tone very well. Trust me though, I am not attacking you.

    My post was a general statement that there are so many people out there that don't act responsibly when it comes to breeding.

    Pull some hairs from your mare and get her tested for all the genetic diseases that can be carried such as HYPP, HERDA, OWLS etc etc etc
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