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Paint bred colt with ApHC Papers... Blog Archives Notice of decision on registration protest

Posted by Steve – January 19th, 2011

Summary of Notice of Decision concerning the official ApHC Registration Protest and Hearing of 2010 foal out of a Regular (#) ApHC-registered dam, and by an AQHA/APHA dual-registered stallion.

The ApHC conducted a hearing on Thursday, December 16, 2010, concerning an official Registration Protest by which the registration status of a 2010 foal (subject horse) out of a Regular (#) classified, ApHC-registered Appaloosa dam, and by an American Quarter Horse Association (AQHA) registered sire was protested under ApHC Rule 269 of the 2010 Official Handbook of the ApHC and other applicable ApHC Rules. The protest alleged, in part, that the subject horse is ineligible for ApHC-registration due to his sire being dual-registered with the American Paint Horse Association, and pursuant to ApHC Rule 205.B. which states, “No horse shall be registered with the ApHC that has draft, pony, Pinto or Paint breeding.”

The ApHC Registrar, considered the testimony of the witnesses and the hearing record including but not limited to:

1. Rules and regulations relevant to this matter contained in the Official Handbook of the Appaloosa Horse Club in full force and effect beginning January 1, 2010.

2. ApHC records relevant to this matter as maintained by the ApHC in the regular course of conduct of its business.

All APHC registration requirements were satisfied prior to the horse being ApHC-registered and shown in ApHC-approved and/or sponsored events. The sire of the subject horse does not exhibit undesirable/excess white to make the horse ineligible for ApHC breeding purposes. The subject horse does not exhibit undesirable/excess white to make the horse ineligible for ApHC-registration or exhibition.

3. ApHC, AQHA, and APHA-Registration history, background and practice relevant to this matter and as historically and customarily applied in the ApHC’s reviews of ApHC registration applications.


The registration procedure followed by the ApHC has been to consistently allow dual AQHA/APHA-registered horses to be used as ApHC breeding animals, and resulting Appaloosa foals have been eligible for ApHC-registration as long as all other requirements for ApHC-registration were met.

4. A brief discussion of genetics relevant to this matter.


The discussion on genetics contained in the Notice of Decision illustrates the point that excess/undesirable white markings are not evidence of Paint breeding in an AQHA-registered horse; rather, that undesirable/excess white markings are commonly present for genetic reasons in horses other than Paint horses.

5. Pedigree of the subject horse.


The sire of the subject horse is dual-registered with AQHA and APHA. His sire, (the subject foal’s grandsire) and his dam, (the subject foal’s granddam) are dual-registered with AQHA and APHA. The dual-registration statuses on the top side of the subject foal’s pedigree are evident only of APHA-registration; they are not evident of Paint breeding. There is no persuasive evidence that the subject horse has Paint breeding.

6. Legal Considerations.


For the ApHC Registrar, in this case, to part with past custom and practice in the interpretation and application of its registration rules could subject the ApHC to the claim that it had acted arbitrarily and, therefore, unreasonably, thus giving further cause for a potential restraint of trade claim against it.

7. Conclusions.


The dam of the subject foal is an ApHC-registered Appaloosa classified as Regular (#), making her eligible for ApHC breeding purposes under ApHC Rule 204.

The sire of the subject foal is registered with AQHA and does not have an undesirable white notation on his AQHA Certificate of Registration, making him eligible for ApHC breeding purposes under ApHC Rule 204.
All ApHC-registration requirements according to the 2010 Official Handbook of the ApHC were met. The subject foal was parentage verified by DNA genetic testing, met all other ApHC-registration requirements and was properly registered by the ApHC as a Non-Characteristic (N) Appaloosa in accordance with ApHC rules and regulations contained in the 2010 Official Handbook of the ApHC and customary registration practices of the ApHC consistently applied and without mistakes. There is no persuasive evidence that the subject horse has Paint breeding.

8. Decision.


The subject protest of the ApHC-registration status of the foal as a Non-Characteristic (N) Appaloosa is hereby denied.
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post #2 of 18 Old 01-19-2011, 01:11 PM
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If this him is going to be gelded then why does it matter? If he isn't going to be gelded then he must have some Appy coloring? I think it would help to actually see the horse in question. Does he look like an Appaloosa? I think it would also help to know who the stallion is.

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Here is a photos of the Sire AQHA/APHA to the colt in question. And the colt ApHC.

SERIOUSLY--THE STALLION does NOT have "excessive white" for an ApHC??????? YOU MUST BE KIDDING ME!!!
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Also, here is a link to the results of the 2010 ApHC World Show results.

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So, After MUCH more research--According to the ApHC current rules this Stallion does not have too much white for ApHC and Barely enough for APHA--It seems the APHA allows a solid horse to have white above the knees into their registry and ApHC does not call EXCESSIVE WHITE anything below the Elbow or Gaskin or behind the Throatlatch--VERY INTERESTING.
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What is going to be more interesting is how many frame carriers are going to end up in the appy lines...
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Nd...I couldn't have said it better myself. Most ApHC, APHA and AQHA horses now have such similar pedigrees that I often wonder why there are still three separate breed registries...
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I have to say, I just don't get it. Why allow interbreeding between three breeds that are so well established??? I can understand if the breed is new, and needs to broaden the gene pool a little, but the APHA, AQHA and ApHC are all so popular. Every second horse seems to be one of them.

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Well, I think that if the stallion meets their guidelines and so does the foal, I would think that they would allow the foal to be registered, especially if the foal is to be gelded.
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The stallion also does not have excessive white according to AQHA. They now DO register horses with full body white and etc., but they have a notation they put on the registration papers of horses with white beyond "regular" boundaries.... calling it an undesirable trait, and it also makes the horse ineligible for AQHA halter classes. Seriously Secure (the AQHA/APHA sire to the colt being discussed) does not have such a notation from AQHA.
The colt does not have to be gelded.

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