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    11-29-2011, 11:08 AM
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Paint Mare, Warmblood Stallion

Hello, I have been thinking about breeding my paint mare to a warmblood stallion. This foal would then be my second horse. I have not ruled out buying another horse or adopting. I have plenty of time to consider my options because I am waiting until I graduate college to have a second horse (I am an adult student going back to school). I am in search of any knowledgeable people who would like to share any information they have.
I know that some stallions only breed to approved mares, is it necessary to have my mare approved? Any information along these lines would be helpful. I would also consider other stallions, not just warmbloods.
My mare is a 5 year old sorrel tobiano, one blue eye one partial blue eye. She is approximately 15 hands. Her sire is a paint, her dam is a quarter horse with bloodlines from Zippo Pine Bar. If I decided to breed her, her age would approximately be around 7 or 8. We are currently training dressage.
Again, I am just looking for general information about this topic and have time to consider all my options. If I did breed her I would keep the foal. I am not looking to the sell the foal. Thank you for any information.
     
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    11-29-2011, 02:08 PM
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    11-30-2011, 06:44 AM
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What are you looking at doing with the foal?

If you are looking to be competitive in official dressage competition, I would look at buying a youngster already on the ground rather than breeding your mare. She is not a mare that I would consider as a dressage breeding candidate due to her conformation.
Breeding her to a warmblood stallion may or may not correct her faults, and may even enhance them so you end up with something that is very difficult to sell if a situation arose leaving you having to sell the offspring.

The mare doesn't HAVE to be approved, though as you have found out, some stallions are only available to approved mares, because the (smart!) breeders only want their stallion to produce very good offspring, so limiting them to mares that are of (generally) excellent quality themselves, will help to promote the stallion as a sire.
Some stallions are available to unapproved mares, so I would say this is the path you will need to take if looking at warmblood studs.

Just to re-iterate, this mare may be lovely to you as her owner, but she is not a great candidate for an english brood mare in my opinion.
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    11-30-2011, 07:59 AM
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Weanling
I agree with Kayty. Your mare is cute, but she is by no means something I would expect to produce a stellar foal when crossed on a warmblood. Looking at her bloodlines, she is the image of a western pleasure horse. That means that crossing her on the tall, sleek, big moving horses would be a total shot in the dark.

If you want an English horse, especially dressage, I would just buy one.
     
    11-30-2011, 10:54 AM
  #5
Trained
If your going to breed her, tbat is up to you. Sounds like your being responsible about it. But I'd loom for a stallion that throws foals with a short back, stronger neck, and a real good set of legs to counteract conformation defaults.
If you're looking to compete strongly, I'd look for something already produced.
     
    11-30-2011, 11:11 AM
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Green Broke
I agree with the above. Her conformation doesn't exactly scream "dressage" (but neither does my horse's). You may get a foal with the same thing, even if bred to a warmblood.

I would opt for a foal already on the ground with more of the conformation you need, and there are soooo many horses out there that need homes, even good dressage prospects. You may even find one who is old enough to start when you are ready to, or already started. A warmblood foal may make you wait up to 5 years before you can really start training it because they develop more slowly than a QH or TB (something to think about).

If you really really want a baby because you want to go through the whole "my horse is pregnant" and the birthing process, and watch it be born and have it since it's a baby, then may I suggest possibly adopting a TB or horse with better conformation that really needs a home and can't get one because of lamness issues? Not only will you get that precious baby, but you will be saving a life as well.
     
    11-30-2011, 11:42 AM
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Foal
Don't do it.
Your mare (she's really pretty!) doesn't have the dressage build and I think that even with a good dressage WB stallion,it wouldn't improve that much.

If I were you I would just buy a dressage horse.
     
    11-30-2011, 03:26 PM
  #8
Banned
Well I will take the more positive view.

Try looking up Irons Springs stallions.

This one for example. Has the conformation that may do well with your mare. They offer a variety of good stallions you may wish to contact them to see what they have.

     
    11-30-2011, 04:52 PM
  #9
Trained
Uggghhh Contango. That horse will forever be known as "the stallion that everyone with a non-dressage mare breeds to to try to get something nice", poor guy because he can actually throw some great foals (Ravel is a Contango son)! Many times what is seen from him however are the "off breed" crosses and they can range from decent to dreadful. None, not even crossed with a good TB mare would I rank over a 6 or 7 out of 10 though.

I agree with others. There are QH or Paint and Warbmblood crosses starving to death in fields (and now probably being shipped that slaughter is legal again) all over the US. The responsible thing would be to buy something already on the ground with better dressage potential than what your mare could possibly give to the foal.

Keep in mind that there are a lot of unforseen risks and costs associated with breeding and you could spend $10,000 on stud fees and vet bills and end up with no foal, a dead foal and/or a dead mare as well!

Good luck!
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    11-30-2011, 05:00 PM
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Started
I strongly suggest that you don't breed your mare. She is so pretty, but doesn't have the right conformation that you would want to pass on if you want to do Dressage with the foal. You would be better of buying a foal.
     

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