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        05-19-2013, 10:25 AM
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    Yearling
    A pairing worth doing again?

    Since I've come to realize that at 18 my mare isn't getting any younger, and most older broodmares, after having a year off, often have difficulty settling and carrying a foal to term. When she had Takala, she was everything I hoped for. But I came around to thinking that this mare doesn't really have a few years down the road to reconsider breeding her. She is an easy keeper, and birthed a large healthy filly with no difficulty and had her up and nursing on her own. She is sound, and at first I wanted to refresh her training, but she never had enough in the first place to have much of a solid foundation. I work her in the arena, and she isn't hot like some horses, but on top of that she doesn't really ride in straight lines, or steady circles. While retraining her will be difficult, I think it still would be possible.

    She has had two foals out of this stallion so far, and they both, to me, have been perfect. They are so clearly drafty in appearance, but are slightly more refined than their dam. The stallion has many other foals, as well. Foals like Tenakee's are exactly what I like, and are few and far between. I think their would certainly be a market for her foal if necessary, but to even get a nice horse Takala's size so I could have a matched driving pair would be wonderful.

    So here comes the big question. If given the opportunity to breed to this stud again, should I take it? Or is waiting five or six years down the road to breed Takala a better idea? This likely will not happen, but I'm interested if it is even a good idea? Tenakee's last pregnancy was a bit of a hindrance for us as we didn't know when she was due, but if we knew a bit better it certainly would help.
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        05-19-2013, 10:37 AM
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    Green Broke
    I don't see why you couldn't breed her once more. She's not maiden, she's recently foaled, and she's healthy (I'm assuming). As long as vet says she's still breeding sound I would breed her to the stud once more.

    Not sure what stud you mean for Takala if you bred her down the road, but I wouldn't breed back to the sire (first impression I got when I read the post, I'm assuming you didn't mean that though, lol.).

    I just love your curlies though..I'd buy one of them, lol.
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        05-19-2013, 10:42 AM
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    Weanling
    You're producing good, solid using horses, yes? No particular bloodlines or anything? I really like a solid draftX, but there are literally thousands of them where I live, available for next to nothing. The meat men LOVE them.

    Are you breeding for sentiment? All good things do come to an end. You have 2 beautiful gifts from this mare... Why the push? Do you have a place or a plan for all her babies?

    I, myself, only have time for one horse. As it is, he barely receives the attention due to him.

    Everyone's journey is different, and I certainly make no judgements. Just offering a perspective from someone who's accepted the market reality in North America's hot zone for trail mutts. A well trained mutt here goes for less than $2000. (Lucky me!)
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        05-19-2013, 10:46 AM
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    Weanling
    Hold the phone! They're CURRLIES? They look much more stout than the one I've met!! Sexy as hell! IMO, working to preserve healthy bloodlines is the entire point of breeding. Didn't realise you were a bonafide breeder with a mission...
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        05-19-2013, 10:57 AM
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    OP, I guess you need to go into more detail about your mare and history since not everyone followed your foaling thread.

    While waiting a bit longer might not be a bad choice. You cannot predict what the future will bring. Maybe a year or two wouldn't be bad, but 5-6 yrs would be pushing the ability to get in foal and carry to term a healthy pregnancy. Have you been able to register your filly yet?

    Another thought, if you wait to breed, you can see how your filly matures and if she is breeding worthy. Then you could find a really nice curly stud that compliments your filly ;)
         
        05-19-2013, 03:23 PM
      #6
    Yearling
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    Originally Posted by Iseul    
    I don't see why you couldn't breed her once more. She's not maiden, she's recently foaled, and she's healthy (I'm assuming). As long as vet says she's still breeding sound I would breed her to the stud once more.

    Not sure what stud you mean for Takala if you bred her down the road, but I wouldn't breed back to the sire (first impression I got when I read the post, I'm assuming you didn't mean that though, lol.).

    I just love your curlies though..I'd buy one of them, lol.
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    She is a very healthy mare, especially know with a proper worming and vaccination schedule as well as routine farrier care. Her last few foals she had without any grain, and while she was under conditioned, she wasn't thin. She just didn't look like now where she gets brushed, bathed, and braided enough to make a difference.

    And yes, I'd find a different stud for Takala. Curlies may have a small gene pool already, but I'm certain I'd be able to find something nice out there that isn't that closely related.

    This is what I mean by a decent market. Plenty of people can tell they are good looking horses, plus they are sound minded and functional. I might have a biased opinion, but I certainly wish a good horse like that was easier to find.

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    Originally Posted by hemms    
    You're producing good, solid using horses, yes? No particular bloodlines or anything? I really like a solid draftX, but there are literally thousands of them where I live, available for next to nothing. The meat men LOVE them.

    Are you breeding for sentiment? All good things do come to an end. You have 2 beautiful gifts from this mare... Why the push? Do you have a place or a plan for all her babies?

    I, myself, only have time for one horse. As it is, he barely receives the attention due to him.

    Everyone's journey is different, and I certainly make no judgements. Just offering a perspective from someone who's accepted the market reality in North America's hot zone for trail mutts. A well trained mutt here goes for less than $2000. (Lucky me!)

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    Hold the phone! They're CURRLIES? They look much more stout than the one I've met!! Sexy as hell! IMO, working to preserve healthy bloodlines is the entire point of breeding. Didn't realise you were a bonafide breeder with a mission...
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    Yes, both parents are ABCR registered Curlies, just out of a line that has much more meat to their bones. Most Curlies I see are mustang sized, and the few draft ones you do find out there are really something special. They'd be more than just a draft cross, that's for certain. I apologize for not going in depth enough sooner.

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    Originally Posted by SunnyDraco    
    OP, I guess you need to go into more detail about your mare and history since not everyone followed your foaling thread.

    While waiting a bit longer might not be a bad choice. You cannot predict what the future will bring. Maybe a year or two wouldn't be bad, but 5-6 yrs would be pushing the ability to get in foal and carry to term a healthy pregnancy. Have you been able to register your filly yet?

    Another thought, if you wait to breed, you can see how your filly matures and if she is breeding worthy. Then you could find a really nice curly stud that compliments your filly ;)
    I would really love to get another filly out of Tenakee, and I think if that happened I might retire her for sure, as then I would have two daughters who I could not only use as a pair in harness, but as broodmares down the line.

    I actually typed up a huge thing, but deleted it and decided to start out small as to not instantly convince everyone that I am just loco.

    This mare was owned by Joe Mead, a notable man in the history of Curly horses for his breeding of magnificent animals. She was given/sold to his sister-in-law as a riding horse. Joe liked this mare, and loved her dam as well. Joe's brother, Don, contacted us after we bought two dogs and a horse from him previously. (All on separate occasions, mind you.) We were told she was bred, and we thought she'd foal soon after we brought her home of March 2012, but she foaled a year later, February 5th of this year. She was used as a broodmare most her life, but is broke to ride, and apparently they dabbled with driving her. She's produced many outstanding foals, all similar build with a bit of influence from the sire. She will typically throw something very drafty, and I am certain that it would even hold up to the most dishy Arabian you could find. That is a bit of her past.

    The reason I want to breed her isn't on sentiment alone, but there is an influence thinking that these are her last fertile years. There are other horses out there, but nothing that could match having another son or daughter of this spectacular mare. With having a rare breed, it is harder to find something that will suit your exact needs. I might never have another opportunity like this, especially with an experienced broodmare.
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        05-19-2013, 03:34 PM
      #7
    Green Broke
    I would say if tenakee is healthy and the vet gives it a go then why not?

    She throws very nice looking babies and if they are what your looking for then perfect.

    Plus you have takala and the next potential baby to carry on more of their desirable traits down the line if you deside to breed again
         
        05-19-2013, 03:39 PM
      #8
    Yearling
    Oh I wish I could have a curly :( There is a curly here who oddly enough. . Barrel races. I wouldn't think Texas would have nice conditions for a curly, but man I would love to get one xD Beautiful horses by the way (:
         
        05-19-2013, 03:54 PM
      #9
    Yearling
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    Originally Posted by Aesthetic    
    Oh I wish I could have a curly :( There is a curly here who oddly enough. . Barrel races. I wouldn't think Texas would have nice conditions for a curly, but man I would love to get one xD Beautiful horses by the way (:
    I've seen some of the (IMO) best Curlies in TX! This is a bit off topic, but Stag Creek has wonderful horses, and if I were closer I'd haul a trailer full of them up myself. They are in Comanche, Texas, I believe. We visited last year, and they had several foals on the ground. Their stallion, Angel's Spirit, even came up to say hello and get pet for a while before moseying back over to his mares. They actually had a special on RFDTV on their ranch, I forget which show, but it was very cool.

    Curlies are very much an all-around breed. Plus their is a loose standard, but they vary from miniature to draft sized. I wouldn't be surprised to see someone try their hand at barrel racing with one. Not my cup of tea, but our younger mare, Scarlet, can actually clear at very least four foot high barrels. And she is built like a tank, but sails right over those without missing a beat. I'm sure Tenakee could too, but at her age she is wise enough to knock over barrels than to jump them.

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    Thank you all very much for your responses! I'm not certain what I'd expected, and I'm going to see what the vet thinks and if it is a feasible thing for the future. And hopefully I'll be in contact with the stallion owner.
         
        05-19-2013, 03:55 PM
      #10
    Yearling
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by ButtInTheDirt    
    I've seen some of the (IMO) best Curlies in TX! This is a bit off topic, but Stag Creek has wonderful horses, and if I were closer I'd haul a trailer full of them up myself. They are in Comanche, Texas, I believe. We visited last year, and they had several foals on the ground. Their stallion, Angel's Spirit, even came up to say hello and get pet for a while before moseying back over to his mares. They actually had a special on RFDTV on their ranch, I forget which show, but it was very cool.

    Curlies are very much an all-around breed. Plus their is a loose standard, but they vary from miniature to draft sized. I wouldn't be surprised to see someone try their hand at barrel racing with one. Not my cup of tea, but our younger mare, Scarlet, can actually clear at very least four foot high barrels. And she is built like a tank, but sails right over those without missing a beat. I'm sure Tenakee could too, but at her age she is wise enough to knock over barrels than to jump them.

    ~

    Thank you all very much for your responses! I'm not certain what I'd expected, and I'm going to see what the vet thinks and if it is a feasible thing for the future. And hopefully I'll be in contact with the stallion owner.
    One day, and I swear this, I will get a curly (:
         

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