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  • Breeding bay stud to palominos
  • Do bay horses every produce palomino foals

 
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    12-09-2012, 11:41 PM
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Yearling
Palominos

Wanting advice from genetic experts!

ATTENTION[/B]
This is only advice, I am not planning to breed, at least anytime soon!


Okay, I am wondering how to get a really good chance of a palomino foal, if the mare was black, coming from a long line of black horses. I have never bred this mare.

If I do end up breeding a mare, I would get a solid red mare, and breed to a cremello stud, that is almost always a result in a palomino. (that I do know)

I want to know if a black has a good chance of producing a palomino
     
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    12-09-2012, 11:42 PM
  #2
Yearling
Also, I would not breed for just colour, to let you know
     
    12-09-2012, 11:50 PM
  #3
Yearling
A black horse is either EE or Ee, and can only produce any red-based foals if they are the latter (Ee). The other horse involved would have to have either one cream gene (palomino, buckskin, smoky black, etc - lower chance) or two (cremello, perlino, smoky cream, etc - higher chance). Any black-based dilute studs would have to be Ee as well to be able to produce the red-based dilute of palomino.

If your horse tests as EE, then she can never produce a palomino foal.
     
    12-09-2012, 11:53 PM
  #4
Yearling
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Originally Posted by Reno Bay    
A black horse is either EE or Ee, and can only produce any red-based foals if they are the latter (Ee). The other horse involved would have to have either one cream gene (palomino, buckskin, smoky black, etc - lower chance) or two (cremello, perlino, smoky cream, etc - higher chance). Any black-based dilute studs would have to be Ee as well to be able to produce the red-based dilute of palomino.

If your horse tests as EE, then she can never produce a palomino foal.
What if she tests Ee??
     
    12-09-2012, 11:53 PM
  #5
Yearling
Also, would a black horse be able to produce a red roan?
     
    12-10-2012, 12:04 AM
  #6
Yearling
If she tests Ee, then your best chance for a palomino foal would be to breed to a cremello stallion, as that would be a chestnut horse with two cream genes. Here's a looksie.

--- e -- e -------- Cr -- Cr
E - Ee - Ee ---- n - nCr - nCr
E - ee - ee ---- n - nCr - nCr

A cremello stallion (top sets of alleles, assuming he's not hiding agouti) plus your black mare, assuming she's Ee (side set of alleles) could produce:

50% chance of Ee nCr, smoky black.
50% chance of ee nCr, palomino

If the stallion is hiding agouti, you have a 25% chance of the above foal colors plus 25% each of buckskin or brownskin.

If she is Ee, a black mare can produce a red/chestnut roan by being paired with a red-based roan stallion (chestnut, palomino - best bets, there are others). Depending on other genes that could also result in blue/black or bay roans, and chestnut/black/bay solid foal (add dilutes for palomino stallion).
     

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