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post #11 of 119 Old 11-27-2011, 11:12 PM
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Thanks Bubba & Aspin. I've seen affected H/H horses but, of course, no one wants to cop to the seriousness of it all. So, an N/H horse can actually have a pretty severe case of HYPP? I was told 'it will always be very mild form', so was thinking as long as you kept N/H to N/N for breeding it wouldn't matter. If they can be so very miserable, it explains why you'd want to cut it out rather than to try to manage it.

I knew when purchasing my cremello to check status and only go for N/N, because I don't want to have to manage or breed around a deleterious condition.

I also only breed SCID clear to clear.

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Here's an N/H horse having a (relatively) mild attack:

Another horse (unsure of status):

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The bottom horse looks more like the horse who eventually seized an fell on top of me. I was a show groom for a QH halter trainer and all the horses were N/H or some H/H (babies) and after the big stud fell on top of me I didn't stay long. And of course, since I've pretty much stuck with breeding Arabians to other Arabians or Saddlebreds, I had no need to study it much.

I'm a lot more interested, invested now, because I bought a Cremello 2 y.o. colt, made sure he was N/N but for his future breeding decisions need to learn a lot more about HYPP.

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Originally Posted by Starryeyed View Post
Just so you know horses that are HYPP N/N would be all horses that dont have HYPP so saying you dont want to breed to them doesnt make much sense. What you should be avoiding is horses that are N/H, although even breeding your mare to a horse that doesnt have HYPP could still produce an N/H foal. I have a friend with and N/H mare who died due to being misfed by a visitor after living with no symptoms for years.
Yeah but if we were told correct breeding an N/N with a N/H still gives you high chances of getting H/H we just put a 3 year old palamino gelding down. We think someone gave him alfalfa as we have TONS of thoroughbreds. Also we were told best if keeping our colt a stallion to NEVER breed to a quarter horse just so that way their wasn't that risk... (idk how true it was)
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With the known risks of breeding this mare, why would you want to? Why not just buy a younger horse? Now is the time to do that, the market is flooded and they are cheap as heck.
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With the known risks of breeding this mare, why would you want to? Why not just buy a younger horse? Now is the time to do that, the market is flooded and they are cheap as heck.
Exactly-and why would you knowingly breed a horse who has ANY (much less 50%) chance of having any disease-even if it is supposed to be "mild"?
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Originally Posted by bubba13 View Post
HYPP N/H horses aren't the same as carriers. They are afflicted invididuals suffering from a genetic disease that can, in the worst case scenario, be fatal. N/H horses can become symptomatic at any time, even if they've gone 20 years without an attack, which is why many people consider them to be unsafe for riding horses--you sure don't want your mount collapsing out from under you in the middle of a trail ride.
This. I have a very close friend who will never have children because of that. Was sold a mare that was supposed to be N/N, certif from vet (turned out to be falsified by seller) Mare collapsed in the middle of a pleasure class, ended up on top of her, horn to pelvis, and she had to have an emergency hysterectomy at 15 years old.

Breeding any horses with any positive HYPP results even if they are N/H is completely irresponsible imo. It is a disease that could be completely eradicated if people didn't continue to breed irresponsibly. To me, that's sad and shows just how important the almighty dollar can be in the horse world.

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Originally Posted by Dreamcatcher Arabians View Post

I know with SCID in ARabians (which is what I'm familiar with, so that's why I'm asking all these HYPP questions), if you breed a carrier to a clear and then get a clear, obviously no problem. Then if you geld the SCID colts that are born, someone did a study that it would self eliminate in about 25 yrs.

Would the results from N/H breeding be that different? What am I missing? Why the HUGE reaction by Bubba to the very thought of breeding the mare? I'm really asking to be educated here, not trying to stir a pot.

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As to the first paragraph, if that is the case then the study is flawed. SCID is not sex linked, thus can be passed through the mare line as well as the stallion line. 25 years is absolutely unrealistic to eliminate a genetic disorder through gelding only...it would take many, many, generations to dilute the gene into obscurity.

As to HYPP, the reaction is because breeding an N/H horse is no different than breeding a SCID carrier - both are irresponsible because they perpetuate the disease. Whether or not a carrier is symptomatic is not relevant to the principle of whether to perpetuate or eliminate the disease...
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Also you never know if the stress of foaling will create a HUGE problem and throw her into an attack because they can be stress related..
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Faceman, the only reason that only colts are gelded is because to sterilize a mare is cost prohibitive, not suggesting sex link in the disease. I only posted the study as an example why some folks are not for radically eliminating all SCID carriers from the gene pool, as they were when SCID was first discovered. Not implying right or wrong for their breeding decisions either. I'm just trying to corelate the information I'm getting about HYPP with something I understand better, which is SCID.

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