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post #11 of 30 Old 02-02-2014, 03:37 PM
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Hey cool, I was just reading about embryo transfer (never heard of it before today).

I'm no professional breeder (or conformation reader), and I don't know the breed very well, but I'd definitely say either #1 or #2. This sounds very exciting. I wish you the best of luck! :)
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post #12 of 30 Old 02-04-2014, 09:13 PM
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Ok so here are some stallions I have found. Ill let you all decides what they are worth. (considering I know nothing of ASH blood lines).

Silverthorn Shotgun

Silverthorn Australian Stock Horses - We Have The Breed For Your Needs

CRILLEE AMARILLO OAK

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CAPTAIN BARBADOS

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I like this guys record
OZI BODACIOUS LUKE

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Star Pavarotti - HSH

Star Pavarotti - HSH

Stonebrook Finno (HSH)

Stonebrook Finno (HSH) | McArthur FarmsMcArthur Farms

Cadabra (HSH)

Cadabra (HSH) | McArthur FarmsMcArthur Farms
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post #13 of 30 Old 02-06-2014, 05:03 AM Thread Starter
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Thanks for your post, Kiger!

This might be long, lol.

I have decided to try and keep the HSH which stands for 'Heritage Stock Horse' - Which means bloodlines that trace back to what was originally classified into the studbook or known waler/colonial TB lines. This means no QH as the first QH were imported a while after the formation of the ASH studbook. I love the ASH/QH cross and the colt I just bred is by an ASH/QH - However, for a future stud, I think it makes more sense to go with a HSH. The ASH/QH is the flavour of the month at the moment and they are everywhere - There needs to be some quality HSH stallions and mares out there to breed the crosses back to to keep the ASH registration and ASH type. It will give me more options for future breeding also - I will be able to utilise part or full QH mares if I so wish but keep the ASH registration and type. I'm hoping to end up with something very true to ASH type (Taller and leggier than the QH) which will cross well back over the more QH types as well as HSH mares.

So, that discounts Captain Barbados and Crillee Amarillo Oak.

Shotgun is awesome, I have met him, and I love him. I hope to use him one day. However for this particular mating I have very specific goals - I want something that will be talented and very marketable in the campdraft world. Shotgun is an awesome horse with some great ASH show performance - But he lacks the kind of drafting performance and popular breeding that I specifically want for this mating.

Bodacious Luke is also a lovely fellow, but a bit similar to Shotgun, just not quite the lines I am after (He has half!) and more performance in show rather than draft.

Pavarotti was owned by people I know for a while. Not quite the right type for this mare I don't think though.

Finno is lovely, and has some really good polocrosse progeny. Not a huge amount of performance himself though and not quite the type I am after.

Cadabra. I do love Cadabra. He doesn't have the depth of performance in drafting but does have a wide range of performance. And he is so handsome. There is just a gut feeling though that he isn't what I am after in this mating. Not sure what it is.

But thank you for your post, you have picked some lovely boys that I always keep an eye on! In other breedings I may well use one or two of these boys, just not quite what I am after in this mating! I am trying to look to the future and long term plans, once I *hopefully* get what I want then I can start playing with different lines I like!

Of course I bet I will get an unfortunate looking colt I have to geld, LOL! That seems to be how it goes with horse, but I can try!

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post #14 of 30 Old 02-06-2014, 05:08 PM
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Tell me the type of lines and ill look lol (also tried to find lines with no QH but I missed some I see lol). Are you wanting the more tb type or the stocky? I saw some HSH but they looked more like tbs so I did not post them lol.
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Its a shame that Amarillo Oak doesn't fit your criteria because that is one lovely horse as is Barbados - they have the conformation that appeals to me though and what I'd buy if I was looking for something
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Crillee Amarillo Oak is pure QH, just has ASH registration. Barbados is half QH. Nice types, yes, but still a bit too QH for me! :)

I don't mind the more TB types, as most are going the other way nowadays, makes sense for the future to have something to cross back to all the little beefy mares without much bone down the track. So something not too short (15h-15.3h is about right), with good stride (Not a fan of the choppy little QH trot), well set neck that isn't too bully or weedy. Nice low hocks too. Is about what i'm after.

Lines wise - I'm after traditional ASH lines that are doing well in the draft world. So things like Warrenbri Romeo (Though mare already has two crosses, so further back is better), Blue Moon Mystic, Warrenbri Omega, Dogwood Comet, Lyndsay, etc. Proven lines that people know and want and are out there winning.

The Landmark Classic is on this week/weekend, probably the biggest sale of campdraft horses in the country as well as a few drafts run in conjuction. I'll be going over the sale prices once they are released to see what is selling well at the moment. I couldn't go this year which is a real shame as all four of the stallions in my original post are there competeing in the stallion shootout. Good chance to compare.
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Have just watched the live stream from Landmark. It was the last round of the stallion shootout which was a cut out - So like cutting in a little yard with no turnback riders. Maximum score is 25, two judges.

Gigolo had 24/24, =2nd. Really nice run. Far out I like this horse. Might try visit him when I get home.

Justice also had a 24/24. Classy run. Man can this horse move.

Conman had a 23/24. But more telling, there were two stallions by him and both really impressed me. I like his progeny and they obviously perform, one of them also won the open (best) draft this week. However there are already a few of them out there so saturation of the market. Hard one.

Boonara Mentor is another who went really well, I love his breeding, some days I like him some I don't. Today I do.

And Ervines Rolex. Haven't seen much of him since he won at Nationals a few years ago. I was suprised to see him there. I will have to look at him again.

Playrio had a good run.

Off to do some more looking. Kiger I will get back to your post! Just quickly, Imprint is the sire of my mare who I just got a foal out of :) I love her!
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Does the Australian QH have its own lineage and origins in Australia or were they imported from the US?
What are the origins of the Australian Stock Horse
They both look to me to be very similar to a TB x Welsh cob in conformation.
I like the Raybuck horse btw
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post #20 of 30 Old 02-07-2014, 10:29 AM
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I really don't know anything about ASHs but Kiger you can definitely keep the eye candy coming ;D

Good luck on your search, OP ^^
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