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post #1 of 62 Old 06-13-2013, 12:26 PM Thread Starter
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'Planned' breeding mishaps, anyone?

So... has anyone on here ever had a planned breeding 'go wrong' so to say?

I just sorta had one go wrong myself, though it's really not that big of a deal.

Basically, I gave my mare a shot of Lutalyse five days ago to induce a heat cycle so I could breed her to the 'stud of my dreams', a chestnut TWH named Leroy.

She came into heat yesterday evening, so this morning I visited my neighbor who owns the stallion and told him. He brought his other stallion (a black TWH named Bear) up to tease my mare to see if she was receptive or if she needed another day to fully come into season. She was receptive.

I don't blame my neighbor at all. He's been breeding horses for decades, and he is older and tends to forget things nowadays, and, thinking about it, the chestnut TWH (Leroy) wasn't the best match for my mare in the first place (and I have been debating lately over which stud to breed my mare to, lol)... but he forgot that we were just teasing my mare with Bear and bred her to him.

I'm not fussed, though. The main reason I had chosen Leroy in the first place, besides the fact I've wanted a foal by him for about ten years now, was because with Leroy, I'd have had a higher percentage chance of getting a filly. Bear is honestly a better match for my mare, I think... he's got a shorter back whereas hers is a little longer, he has a more refined and thinner/higher set neck than her, etc...

So, if my mare takes, the resulting foal will be a full sibling to my gelding Dakota.

*Crossing fingers and hoping for a filly*...

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post #2 of 62 Old 06-13-2013, 12:31 PM
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If you can't remember what horse your supposed to breed, you shouldn't be breeding horses....
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Isn't it always a 50/50 chance on gender?
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post #4 of 62 Old 06-13-2013, 12:38 PM
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I can tell you right now he'd be paying for a shot of lute so I can breed to the correct stud. I would be furious

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How does a stallion go from a teaser to a breeder?
Why would he bring a stallion that was not breeding the mare?
Was he going back home , un load this one, load the correct one, then tease the mare again?
None of this makes sense.
Where were you?
Good luck with the foal. Whatever the answers to these questions are. Shalom
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If you can't remember what horse your supposed to breed, you shouldn't be breeding horses....
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^^This x1000
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Isn't it always a 50/50 chance on gender?
Yes there is a 50/50 chance of either gender with EVERY breeding.

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I can tell you right now he'd be paying for a shot of lute so I can breed to the correct stud. I would be furious
Ditto this as well.

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How does a stallion go from a teaser to a breeder?
Why would he bring a stallion that was not breeding the mare?
Was he going back home , un load this one, load the correct one, then tease the mare again?
None of this makes sense.
Where were you?
Good luck with the foal. Whatever the answers to these questions are. Shalom
I have all the same questions as well.

Who advised you to use the lute? Was she being seen by a vet or was it one of those things "hey lets give her lute to get her pregnant" type deals?

I believe that if lute isn't given at the right time when attempting what you were it doesn't do any good...
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If you can't remember what horse your supposed to breed, you shouldn't be breeding horses....
He's been breeding horses for decades and is an accomplished and experienced breeder. He's pretty much retired from breeding now, though, and even he's admitted before, several times in fact, that he can't remember a lot of what he used to could. Not his fault that it happened, and I'm not sure exactly who you're directing this comment at.

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Isn't it always a 50/50 chance on gender?
Yes, it is, but from both studs previous foals, Leroy has a higher percentage of throwing a filly, whereas Bear tends to throw colts.

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I can tell you right now he'd be paying for a shot of lute so I can breed to the correct stud. I would be furious
I'm not too bothered by it. Like I said, over the past few weeks, I have been internally debating on which of his studs to breed my girl to. Either of them is fine by me, and Bear does compliment my mare a little better than Leroy. Even though I had planned to breed to Leroy, I don't mind breeding my mare to Bear again.

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How does a stallion go from a teaser to a breeder?
Why would he bring a stallion that was not breeding the mare?
Was he going back home , un load this one, load the correct one, then tease the mare again?
None of this makes sense.
Where were you?
Good luck with the foal. Whatever the answers to these questions are. Shalom
We've been using Bear as a teaser with my mare for the last few weeks, trying to figure out when she was in heat. We could never catch it and I ended up and bought a shot of lute so I'd be able to tell/control when she came in. The stud I was going to breed her to, Leroy, is quite a bit higher strung than Bear, who is in his mid twenties and a lot more laid back. It was an honest accident that he let Bear breed my mare, but like I already said, I'm not bothered by it.

And no, he wasn't going to go home and bring the other stud up. I was going to bring my mare to his place (he's my neighbor, literally walking distance). He owns three studs and the original goal was to make sure she was in full blown heat before I took her to his place, but it slipped his mind because I've bred my mare to Bear in the past and things got a little confusing, I guess. I was there, but it just happened before I could say anything. He did apologize, but I told him that it was fine and to just breed her to Bear since he compliments my mare pretty well and it had already happened/started.

Like I said, I'm not upset. If I'm not upset, and I'm the mare owner, there's no reason to be jumping on about things, right?

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Agree whole heartedly with all that has been said. you have a 50/50 chance of a filly. you should never be breeding if you cant figure out which mare to which stud. why was he teasing with a breeding stud?
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Mistakes happen to the best of us, happy that you're ok with the whole thing! Hope you get that filly you want!
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Who advised you to use the lute? Was she being seen by a vet or was it one of those things "hey lets give her lute to get her pregnant" type deals?

I believe that if lute isn't given at the right time when attempting what you were it doesn't do any good...
My friend originally informed me of it because she had to use it on her mares several months ago, and I did a lot of my own research before choosing to use the lute. Before I did, though, I asked a vet about it and spoke personally to the vet at his office about my concerns, what I'd be using it for, and if there were any effects, etc... to using it, whether or not it would be safe, etc...

The vet said it was perfectly safe and that the only way it wouldn't put her into a heat cycle was if she was in one already, which she wasn't. Said it'd take four to five days after giving it to her for her to come in, and it did. Vet said she'd be fine, and she is, though when I gave it to her I stayed out with her for several hours, as the vet did tell me of what it would do to her, etc... and I wanted to keep an eye on her. Believe me, before I chose to buy the lute, I asked a lot of questions and read a lot of information.

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