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post #11 of 68 Old 01-09-2013, 11:06 AM
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The Shagya is not a strain, it is a seperate breed, an Arabian crossed with local mares, started in Hungary, to produce a carriage and military horse with the pretty of the Arab, but slightly bigger and heavier.

As for Polish Arab and Arab....any Arabian with documents from a WAHO (world Arabian horse association) acknowledged Arabian registry is a purebred Arabian.
Poland, Russia for example, did their selection through racing, Germany tested all the stallions under saddle, jumping, dressage, cross country, against warmbloods, before allowing them to breed. Spain bred for Spanish looks, the Andalusian neck and movement, and so on. You used to be able by looking at an Arabian where he came from. Nowadays that is rather rare.
Unfortunately people have forgotten what an Arabian used to be, hardy, sound, people friendly intelligent, a horse who can do anything with grace, style and beauty. Now it's all about pretty for the halter show.
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You're correct, I was thinking of the Kehil/Siglavi strain, not of the Shagya as a separate breed.

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Polish Arabians are those desecened from Poland. Like Spanish, Eypgtian, Russians...I've a real soft spot for pure polish Arabians and once I'm healed and have focused on my stallions, I would love to look at getting a few PP mares to cross on my Ecaho son.

Polish arabians tend to have big bone, nice deep heart girth, big croup, big hooves and incredible legs. Most of the time they have old Polish breeding. TA Mozart and Kalaoch were champions in Reining and Working Cow this year, and both are Pure Polish sons of Kordelas. You also get alot of strains of polish Arabians that excel in racing.

CMK and Russian Arabians tend to exhibit alot of same traits as the Polish Arabians. Alot of previous reining or working cow champs have been Aurab or Muscat decendants, and you still see alot of them today.
Khemosabi was another one that, although being a tiny guy himself, through a lot of substantial horses, and still have a huge influence in the working western scene today. Although he's high percentage Crabbet (CMK), he's considered Early American Foundation.

The Jibbah is natural to the Arabian, although people have been known to wrap bands around faces of young foals to get the dish pronouced. I haven't heard of this happening in a LONG time though. Although, I suppose, you never know.
Older Polish lines tend not to be the most extreme dished Arabs (although my Ecaho son is one of my typiest) but I'd rahter have a big body with super legs over a pretty face anyday. SE's tend to have the most dished faces.

Once you start looking at all the little sublets and whatnot in Arabian breeding, it's quite a maze!
The term Pure Polish is just an Noth American made term - meaning those that trace only back to those coming from Poland. Any horse in Poland is still pure polish, even when outcrossed with stallions such as Ali Jamaal.
CMK Arabians are those that were imported by those three individuals, but can also be list as Al Khasma or Blue Star, which are the same as many Straight Eypgtians.
So even though the bloodlines have nothing in common (being CMK and Straight Eygptian) you can get a 100% SE, Al Khasma, Blue List horse, and also a 100% CMK, Al Khasma, Blue List horse.
Takes a lot of sorting out!
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Ok, now that we've figured that out (swirling brain! Lol!) would someone so kindly post pics of each type....I could go look but I'd like a more trained eye to select out good type pics of each type....the Spanish Arab is a new one to me! I'm also wondering, does the overly ecsentuated dish in some Arabs narrow the airways at all? Like pug dogs with their shortened pallets?
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Sorry, but Kordelas is not pure Polish.....through Aswan Russian, Panel - Nil- Sid Abouhom = Egyptian. Monogramm = Russian. Negatraz - Negativ - Naseem = Russian.
So he is polish-russian
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Ok, now that we've figured that out (swirling brain! Lol!) would someone so kindly post pics of each type....I could go look but I'd like a more trained eye to select out good type pics of each type....the Spanish Arab is a new one to me! I'm also wondering, does the overly ecsentuated dish in some Arabs narrow the airways at all? Like pug dogs with their shortened pallets?
it does. That's why the Bedouins sold the overly dished horses to the foreigners
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Sorry, but Kordelas is not pure Polish.....through Aswan Russian, Panel - Nil- Sid Abouhom = Egyptian. Monogramm = Russian. Negatraz - Negativ - Naseem = Russian.
So he is polish-russian
Oops, you're right! I meant predominately Polish. Why we have all these pre-fixes... LOL
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Ok, now that we've figured that out (swirling brain! Lol!) would someone so kindly post pics of each type....I could go look but I'd like a more trained eye to select out good type pics of each type....the Spanish Arab is a new one to me! I'm also wondering, does the overly ecsentuated dish in some Arabs narrow the airways at all? Like pug dogs with their shortened pallets?
I LOVE Spanish Arabians! I had a gelding I just sold out of Nina Querida, one of the most accomplished imported Spanish mares to the US.
His bone, hooves, and legs were incredible. Put a lot of the local QH's I rode with to shame. :)

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My heart horse's paternal granddam was Spanish, although his pedigree was mostly Crabbet. I always used to say his paternal grandmama gave him his fire, sass, and 'tude!

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I had a LH Garcia (AN Malik) granddaughter. Although that was the only Spanish line she had, it sure showed. A neck many a stallion would kill for, good bone and the Spanish eye.
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