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    06-20-2010, 08:38 PM
Green Broke
Possible Breeding

I asked my RI about what breed of horse she might possibly breed Razz to if she was going to (she's probably (hopefully) not going to until I'm done working with Razz, but she is the owner and can do what she wants to with her horse). Her answer was that she would either breed her to a Morgan, Friesian, or an Arabian.

Now I'm thinking about the part of an Arab and thinking, "Um.....an Arab? Would that be such a good idea?" while she's talking about how she would be able to get a half-Arab out of the mix. My first question is how would you get a half-Arab out of a Morgan/Friesian cross (in other words how does the whole Arab breeding process that defies what is and isn't and Arab or Arab cross work)?

My next question is what do you think the baby would look like (I'm talking about the Arab breeding)? When I talked to my neighbor about this, she said that I would either get a foal that has very fine Arab points (kind of like some of the newer looking Morgans) or a foal that isn't that great looking. What do you all think?

Now for those of you who don't know, Razz is a Morgan/Friesian cross (as stated above) and looks like this (she's the bay obviously)...

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    06-20-2010, 10:05 PM
If she bred to an arabian stallion, then the resulting foal would be 1/2 Arab, 1/4 Morgan, and 1/4 Fresian. Also, there is absolutely no way to tell what the foal would look like. It would depend on what the stallion looked like and also, which genes that mother nature decided to highlight that will decide what it looks like. I have seen 2 good looking horses have a fugly baby and 2 fugly horses have a good looking baby. It's all a toss-up.
    06-21-2010, 11:31 AM
As long as one parent is 100% Arabian and registered with the AHA then the baby can be registered 1/2 Arab with the AHA. I think this is a leading cause of breeding "grade" horses for money since you can breed any horse in the world with an arabian and suddenly its a registerable horse.

As far as how the baby is going to turn out? I'll agree it's a toss up but I'm not counting on anything that looks amazing. There is, in my opinion, too much of a possibility that you'd end up with this HUGE horse and a VERY small dainty head... hahaha
    06-21-2010, 07:41 PM
If she was dead-set on Arabian, she'd possibly need to find one who has a bit more substance to him...in order to get the best chances of making it work. In my second-hand experience with breeding Arabs and drafts (or draftier horses), it can cross well, but it needs to be a careful match...like with all breeding, heh.

In this mare's case...it's hard to say. I think she does have some Arab-y attributes that would help it work, and she's not an incredibly heavy horse, but I'm no expert.
    06-21-2010, 08:24 PM
Green Broke
Arabian type tends to be extremely well stamped. This is the precise reason why Arabians are so popular as a crossbreed, and often used even to improve Warmblood bloodlines. A large percentage of half-Arabians are so typey they could easily pass for purebred Arabians.

This is the type of mare I think would cross extremely well with an Arabian. She's not a mammoth but she's heavier set and the Arabian blood would produce an even mix of the two. Arabian blood tends to cross remarkably well on Warmblood-ish type horses - whereas I am fully aware this mare is not, she has the same type of substance and look to her.

Personally, it would be my choice in breeding her. Also because it allows you to register the foal as Half-Arabian, which can be a huge selling feature for a lot of people, especially if the foal comes out super sporty. People love sporty half-Arabs because they clean up at Arabian shows.

I would say definitely not to a Friesian, and possibly to a Morgan but I think she would do good with an Arabian to smooth out her lines a bit and produce a foal a bit more refined but with her good substance.
    06-29-2010, 09:35 AM
Respectfully, I would not breed her unless it resulted in a nice registered baby. There are so many nice baby's with what your looking for out there already needing a home and it would be cheaper for you to purchase one of them than to go through breeding cost, vet cost, mare care, wait 11 months, possible health problems and so forth. Just my opinion.
    06-29-2010, 10:20 AM
Saber, it's not the OP's horse it's her trainer's, so tsk-tsking at the OP about what she should or shouldn't do is irrelevant.

Tempest, as the other posters have already stated, if your trainer breeds the mare to a purebred, registered, DNA'd Arabian stallion, the resulting foal could be registered as Half Arabian.

The stallion has to be registered as well as DNA typed though, or the resulting foal won't be registerable.
    06-29-2010, 02:23 PM
Green Broke
Thank you, you've slightly cleared up my confusion on the how a baby can be half Arab despite the other breeds. I was just wondering about what it might look like because I think (if everything went perfectly, sadly it doesn't) that it would be a large baby with Arab like features.
    06-29-2010, 07:34 PM
Originally Posted by tempest    
Now for those of you who don't know, Razz is a Morgan/Friesian cross (as stated above) and looks like this (she's the bay obviously)...

So why not breed to a Moriesian?

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