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        09-24-2007, 10:59 AM
      #21
    Foal
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Xanadu
    I guess I'm confused. If there are so many good horses out there going to slaughter, then why did you breed your mare? Yet you tell me not to breed.

    Everyone has their opinion, and it seems that we all can justify what we want when it's what WE want.
    i can understand your confusion. I think some people have an opinion and are pushing it onto other people.

    Yes, there are a lot of horses out there awaiting and untimely end for one reason or another. This is truly sad and if there was a fix for this problem it would truly be amazing but unfortunately it is something that is almost impossible to eradicate due to the fact that no matter how much preaching is done about this and that, there are still a huge number of dodgy breeders/owners out there who will always breed unreasonable quantities of average quality horses. Its like the PETA people who say only to buy dogs from the pound and outlaw selling puppies in pet shops etc. yeah that's fantastic if you want an old dog with possible behaviour problems. But many people want a purebred pup that they can grow with and train etc. where does this leave responsible breeders? Stuck in a barrage of reproach for wanting to breed a couple of good quality horses each year.

    Did she ever say anywhere that she would just advertise them in the paper and sell them off to any joe blow?? No! So how can anyone assume she is not going to be responsible with the foals. Is any one person that breeds a small amount to sell to 'forever homes' any better than the next?? NO! Certainly not.

    To the original poster again, if you feel you have the means to breed and the chance of selling foals to people who are not going to see them end up at slaughter houses etc then go for your life. Ignore the 'high-horsers'. By that I mean, ignore the people that get up on their high horse about things and tell everyone not to do the things they do themselves.

    Enjoy :)
         
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        09-24-2007, 02:35 PM
      #22
    Foal
    She asked for an opinion, we provided one. Far from "pushing" as I see it. It also seems that the person who resorts to put-downs and name calling is the one who needs to get off her high horse.
         
        09-24-2007, 07:57 PM
      #23
    Foal
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by nurse_in_boots
    She asked for an opinion, we provided one. Far from "pushing" as I see it. It also seems that the person who resorts to put-downs and name calling is the one who needs to get off her high horse.
    well I suppose we have a different view of what pushing opinions means. And please, show me where I put anyone down or called anyone a name.
         
        09-27-2007, 08:58 PM
      #24
    Showing
    My first stop would be to a tax accountant. I'm not sure but I think you have to have at least 2 foals a year to be tax deductable. If you think you have a market for your foals and the expertice to train them you could always try it for a year or 2. The only down side would be you could end up with more horses than you can afford to keep or keep ridden.
         
        10-12-2007, 03:43 PM
      #25
    Foal
    Xanadu. Breeding can be alot of fun. Go very slow. Get a very clear vision of what you want to breed before you start. You may consider buying a couple older mares that are proven but be careful with the bloodlines. Very well bred babies are selling for fairly low prices right now. You can get Premium Oldenburg and Hanoverian babies with top bloodlines for between $7,000-$8,500. Many people are asking more but many of them are not selling their babies. Before you buy a mare, make sure she is already approved for breeding with whatever registry you are wanting to deal with. Don't take chances. Babies who can't be fully registered will not capture a descent price and may be hard to sell at all. Whichever breed you decide on, breed top bloodlines. Don't buy a mare just because she's a lower price. It costs just as much to breed and raise a top foal as one who you can't register.

    When picking a stallion, find a stallion owner who is willing to honestly help you determine if your mare is a good match for their stallion. Take a honest inventory of your mare before picking a stallion. They all have weaknesses. As with most of us horse people, you'll probably need some good friends to help with this evaluation since we have trouble seeing past our own horses strengths. Nothing personal, I'm just as bad, probably worse than most.

    Do as much as you can yourself. Try not to hire anything out that you can do yourself. Before you get any farther involved than you are right now, I would take a breeding class.
    www.equine-reproduction.com has excellent classes and they travel around the country so you may be able to get a 2 or 3 day class fairly close to you. That would be my first next step.

    Horses can and do end up in terrible situations if they're feral horses or million $$$ horses. You do have a added responsibility to try to sell these horses to good homes. Most people I've sold babies to have been very good homes.

    Good luck and have fun. Breeding is wonderful, just go slow and do a little more research before diving in. Don't take on any more horses than you can afford to support by yourself. It can take time to sell the babies. So be prepared, you may be feeding them for awhile. :)

    www.hiddenvalleyfarms.net
         
        10-16-2007, 03:59 PM
      #26
    Foal
    Thank you, misita. I appreciate the advice.

    Right now we have our baby for sale, but I'm not in a rush. We actually think we'll probably end up keeping her and backing her. We'll probably have our daughter do some light training on her and showing her when she's (the filly) old enough. By then, our daughter will be 16 or 17 and more than ready for that challenge.

    We definitely plan to take it slow. I don't plan to breed more horses than I'm willing to keep and train ourselves. This has been a great learning experience for us and especially for our daughter. She is getting a great education through all this. She has been wanting a horse or pony she can bring up and train herself.

    We will be getting at least one more broodmare, especially since we may have lost our current one (you'll have to see my other post regarding colic surgery). She may be relegated to pasture ornament and light trail horse from now on. She has well-known bloodlines and we just took her last month to the RPSI inspection to have our baby inspected and she made the Main Mare Book. They said we should definitely breed her again. Again, as I said, that point may be moot.

    I have a quarter horse mare who comes from top bloodlines, but she's my personal horse and I haven't decided if I want to breed her or not. (she was a broodmare when we bought her) She's the buckskin in this avatar (not the best picture). Her daddy is Zips Chocolate Chip and her mom comes from the Skip Sioux line.

    I do know how important bloodlines are and I've been doing my research on the ones I'm interested in. We have a quarter horse gelding who has drop dead gorgeous conformation and lots of blood in his lineage. It's almost a shame they gelded him. We get compliments on him from seasoned horsepeople everywhere we go. I've been looking for horses with similar blood because he is so gorgeous and has such a good mind. He's only five and we've been able to ride him bareback and with a rope and halter through a show ground last year when he was four. He's a phenomenal horse.

    Anyway... I've gone off on enough tangents now!! :roll:

    Thanks again for the advice. Keep it coming!!
         
        10-16-2007, 04:28 PM
      #27
    Foal
    One other thing just popped into my mind that might be beneficial to you. It seems babies either sell as weanlings or not until they're over 3 and backed. I have no idea why this is. But it seems weanlings fetch as good of prices, or close to, those of just backed horses. But you can see the huge amount of money you must put into your horses by the time their 3 and backed. I try to sell all my foals before they hit the ground or as weanlings, even if I have to come down on the price. It's just too expensive to keep them until they're 3. Unless you get that special one you want to keep forever.

    Your right about breeding being a fabulous family adventure. Especially if all involved love horses.

    www.hiddenvalleyfarms.net
         
        10-16-2007, 04:49 PM
      #28
    Foal
    In that case, do you have any advice on the best way to market her? So far, I only have her advertised on Dreamhorse. I don't know anyone around here who buys weanlings. We have a local horse paper that I could advertise her in... I haven't tried that yet.

    The reason I advertised her on Dreamhorse is because the woman I bought the broodmare from advertises all her babies on Dreamhorse. She also has her own website, which we don't have yet. Since I only have one baby to sell at this point, I figure it's a little early to start a website yet. But we will do that eventually.
         
        10-16-2007, 05:02 PM
      #29
    Foal
    Oh, and here is the link to her ad.

    http://www.dreamhorse.com/show_horse...rse_id=1094374

    If you have any input, feel free.
         
        10-16-2007, 10:22 PM
      #30
    Foal
    Oh my gosh!! She is darling! I would advertise her everywhere and at this time of year I would keep the price down. It looks like she's already reasonably priced. She's lovely.

    You can advertise on

    www.equine.com
    www.warmbloods-for-sale.com
    www.agdirect.com
    www.bayequest.com and all the sister sites which I think are free for first time users. They're in other States but people often ship babies if your baby has what they're looking for.

    Some of these sites like equine.com and warmbloods-for-sale.com, you can update the ad daily or every other day to keep your add on the front page. There's lots of horses for sale so you need to keep her up front.

    Also, some stallion owners offer their breeders support by having a page where you can list you baby on their web-site. You might want to ask the stallion owner if he does that. Not all do.

    Good luck!

    www.hiddenvalleyfarms.net
         

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