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  • Welsh pony with bad temper
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    07-20-2011, 09:18 PM
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Foal
Exclamation Potential breeders please read this first!!

I know everyone who read this forum are horse lovers, I also know a lot of people dream of breeding their own horses. But jsut because you love them doesnt mean you should breed them! Lately I hav ebeen looking for a pony to buy to break in and turn into a child pony. This search has taken me to backyard breeders all over the country. Its also left me seriously upset! PLeas take the following into consideration before you breed!

1. Way to many start breeding horses as a fun backyard buisness with their non horsey spouse/partners- To many times this ends in divorce, I have seen so many cases this month of non horsey ex partener dumped with a whole bunch of semi wild stallions,mares, and all offspring! You will not make money breedina few cute ponies(not matter how many you breed) they are **** expensive creautres that are impossible to budget for. They cause stress, arguments, financial strain and are a lot more hardwork than you bargained for.

2. How much do you actually know- you may have owned horses a long time this dosnt always mean your good judges of horses. Do you know good conformantion when you see it. What are cow hocks, swayed back, ewe necks, a horse that dishes or weaves? Do you know these things? Are they desirable?

3. Is their actually a market for what you want to breed? Usally if no one else is breeding them it because its not a good idea. If their is a market can you produce them to a marketable standard.?Just because coloured ponies sell for lots of money dosent mean your will, if their half wild, ugly, knock kneed and unbroken, or weaninlings.

4.do you have an idea of how gentics actually work? And what some crosses will produce. Crossing a minature with a large pony wll not getr you a small pony- most of the time it will get you a large bodied horse, on tiny midget legs that will never stay sound. Blood over bone, is an old saying that is very true, do you know what it means? Some Cheap crazy OTTB crossed with a draft/qh/paint etc will not always result in great offspring. Heavy mare over light stallion is a better way to go

5. Temperamnt and movement is important- breeding highly strung choppy quick ponies are no good for anybody- they bounce kids out of the saddle and require experianced rider, which there arnt many of.

6. Do you know anything about training, or horse pyscology. Becauif you breed them gurantee you will have to do some of the work- what happens if a foal dosnt want to be handled? Can you deal with halter breaking. Waht about handling stallions? Are you confident enough around dominant mare that you can work around them if somethign goes wrong?

7. Can you handle loss? Greif? Drama? Disaster? If a horse has birthing porblems can you cope until a vet gets there? Can you be strong enough to be able to make decision to have an animal out to sleep if it is born with birth deformities, or dies in birth. One abandoned all her horse to starve because she was to distraught to look at them after a favorite mare died. As a breeder your playing god with these animal and will have to make hard descisions

8. Do you know you breed standard? What should your horse lok like. If your breeding welsh ponies are you breeding show quality ones? Fugly horse don't sell well- its the hard facts. Go get experiance with the breed, breeders and in the industry before you start!! It is essential

9. Breedin horses is really realy realy expensive both money and timewise! People very rarely make money out of it.can you cope with expense?worming, farrier, vet, breeding, feed, remember 4 broodmares can mean 16 horses in 3 years- it can get out of control pretty quickly

10. Most very bad conditions in horses are inheritable=please don't continute to breed them not matter how good the horse is otherwise- bone disease-hernias, weak feet, these can all be inheraitbe and make a horses life misery! As is HYPP etc etc

Please please think about this before you breed. I have seen far to many, ignorant people that have produced ugly,lame, deformed, or neglected,malnourished horses. These are sad creatures that will never be guranteed good lives. Therse is no shortage of horses in the world, just a shortage of good owners!!
     
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    07-20-2011, 09:31 PM
  #2
Yearling
Where are you from?
     
    07-21-2011, 09:46 PM
  #3
Foal
"Therse is no shortage of horses in the world, just a shortage of good owners!"

AMEN


     
    07-22-2011, 12:10 AM
  #4
Foal
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Originally Posted by 2manypets    
"Therse is no shortage of horses in the world, just a shortage of good owners!"

AMEN


Thanks seen way to many horses recently that wouldnt suit anyone! Same rules apply for dogs & cats to. I brought 2 ponys & got 2 free foals off 1 property and they were the only ones that had any potential for anything. Another 10 that were there were going to meatworks if homes wernt found...i can't imagine them selling. The guy wasnt a bad guy bt ignorance, divorce, and bad quality animals in a recession wernt a good situation with a lot of half wild horses
     
    07-22-2011, 10:17 AM
  #5
Showing
So if the horse has a bad temperament but awesome conformation and movement (with potential for the foal to compete successfully to the higher levels given the match is correct), is it worth to breed it?
     
    07-22-2011, 11:30 AM
  #6
Yearling
Thanks for your post Wild Horses. I agree, this needs to be said. We don't often associate 'back yard breeders' with horses, but they do exist. One only needs to attend a non-specialty horse auction to see how true your words are. I went to an auction with friends about 3 months ago and at least 75% of the horses there were young, wild horses that had been bred out in an unmanaged pasture by a couple that thought it would be a good hobby to breed horses for some extra cash. Most of these animals ended up selling for less than $150 to the meat buyers. Some had potential, but many had some serious problems due to defect and malnutrition. Most people (including myself) don't have the knowledge and experience to distinguish between true potential and potential disaster.

That said, I admire those who have the time, money, knowledge and commitment to rescue horses. Thank you! My hope is there will be far fewer horses in need of rescue.
     
    07-23-2011, 04:59 AM
  #7
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Originally Posted by kitten_Val    
So if the horse has a bad temperament but awesome conformation and movement (with potential for the foal to compete successfully to the higher levels given the match is correct), is it worth to breed it?

I personally wouldnt! A bad tempered mare raises a bad tempered foal. Hot headed, hard to train stallionsusally pass it on to. Likewise I know stallion that every single one of their offspring turns out quiet and good tempered enuf for even the most novice rider.

Horses make it to the top level of every discipline with all kinds of confromation faults, but very few/none make it with a bad attitude.

Yet this seems to be the solution for every owner with a nasty mare, breed it and get something better. Nice idea, doesnt usally work, and agian their are so many horses without home already do you really need to breed more??
     
    07-23-2011, 05:10 AM
  #8
Yearling
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Originally Posted by wild horses    
i personally wouldnt! A bad tempered mare raises a bad tempered foal. Hot headed, hard to train stallionsusally pass it on to. Likewise I know stallion that every single one of their offspring turns out quiet and good tempered enuf for even the most novice rider.

Horses make it to the top level of every discipline with all kinds of confromation faults, but very few/none make it with a bad attitude.

Yet this seems to be the solution for every owner with a nasty mare, breed it and get something better. Nice idea, doesnt usally work, and agian their are so many horses without home already do you really need to breed more??
pretty much what I would say, thanks wild horses....
     
    07-23-2011, 05:25 AM
  #9
Foal
Thank Goodness for me, I answered most of your questions with a 'yes', and have a good quality horse to breed from. I think everyone should answer yes to most, if not all of these questions before considering breeding. The only one I had trouble with was coping until the vet arrives, as depending on what went wrong, I possibly couldn't cope. If it was a matter of the foal not passing its first poop, or no afterbirth/placenta (whichever comes out after the foal is born), then I could cope. If the foal was the wrong way round, or something drastic, I would have a clue, but wouldn't know what to do step by step.
     
    07-23-2011, 05:42 AM
  #10
Foal
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Originally Posted by MadamKing    
Thank Goodness for me, I answered most of your questions with a 'yes', and have a good quality horse to breed from. I think everyone should answer yes to most, if not all of these questions before considering breeding. The only one I had trouble with was coping until the vet arrives, as depending on what went wrong, I possibly couldn't cope. If it was a matter of the foal not passing its first poop, or no afterbirth/placenta (whichever comes out after the foal is born), then I could cope. If the foal was the wrong way round, or something drastic, I would have a clue, but wouldn't know what to do step by step.
good on you

I think you don't need to know how to do each procedure, but you want to make sure your not going to break in to hysterical crying when things start heading downhill. If you can stay calm your halfway there!

Lol I didnt know how to get a stuck foal out either until, I had to deliver a foal without a vet in the middle of the night. Was not fun or easy. But I got it done and now I know how I think if you don't have this attittude maybe don't put yourself in a position where you have to deal with these kind of things
     

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