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    12-29-2011, 12:38 PM
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is pregnancy a possibility?

Hello everybody. I shall start from the begining, regarding a mare I have recently brought. She belonged to a friend of a friend, who had owned her for several years. In april this year she was sent to stud and covered. Unfortunatly the stud was a bit of a cowboy outfit and their so called professional scanners had missed twin embryos. These were then picked up on her return home and due to her being around 35 days pregnant were aborted as they were identical twins (egg had split rather than 2 seperate eggs being fertilized) as they were in the same sack, pinching 1 off would have been extremely difficult. Unfortunatly the mare held on to the twins despite being PGd until 45 days. Eventually she was given a saline infusion and was scanned as open. Her then owner was told by the vet that she had lost the breeding season because the mare would have developed endometrial cups (this is where I just don't get it!) an so would still be producing pregnancy hormones so wouldnt come into season for the rest of the year. Because of this her then owner decided to turn her out with a yearling colt to ''teach him how to behave''. She was running with him until mid november. It was in mid november that I agreed to buy the mare as the owner was having health issues that meant she could no longer care for her. I was unaware of this until I mentioned to my friend who is the owners friend that the mare is getting a right old belly on her. She's all clear in a worm count so I know its not a wormy belly. So is it possible that she could have been in season despite her being aborted after 35 days? And could a colt aged between 12 and 18 months have covered her sucessfully? The previous owner has assured me that the colt never showed any interest in the mare whilst they were together but after her not being honest about the mares issues earlier in the year im not sure what to believe! A vet will be coming to examine her once the festive period is over with as obviously id rather know for sure either way. If she's pregnant she can be a field ornament if she's not she can start doing some work once her weigh is upto where it should be. Thanks in advance for any answers :)
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    12-29-2011, 12:44 PM
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Green Broke
I'm honestly not sure... There could be many different reasons. She could be having a false pregnancy, sometimes older mares who have been broodmares do this. If the Colt had even one testicle down he could have bred her.

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    12-29-2011, 12:52 PM
  #3
Foal
Im told the colt had all the equiptment available! How long do endometrial cups stick around for? She ahd twins sucessfully aborted in early june and was around 45 days pregnant so if I knoew how long tose cup things stayed for I could probably try and figure out if its a possibility as she was with him until mid november. Breeding is not something im knowledgable about as I've never done it!
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    12-29-2011, 12:55 PM
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Trained
Your best bet? Get a vet and have her scanned. Guessing is kind of pointless as there is no way to tell without having her palpitated or ultra-sounded to know for sure.
     
    12-29-2011, 01:01 PM
  #5
Foal
Having the vet out is the best choice. She definitely could be pregnant, colts can breed as early as 6 months. Even if the previous owner 'never' noticed anything doesn't mean much to me. Seeing as how she could have been breed anytime of the day/night during those months. Honestly to me she does look a bit abnormal in the stomach area, as she could be preggo. Do you have any pics of her previously where we could compare how she has changed? Also do you know when she was first put with the colt? As to how far along she may be.
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    12-29-2011, 01:05 PM
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Foal
Paint girl I don't have any other pics as I've only her a short while so absolutly nothing to compare too. She aborted in early june and as old owner was told she wouldnt come back in season she was turned straight out with the colt within days of that. So she had been running with him from early june until mid november
     
    12-29-2011, 01:09 PM
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Trained
Like I said before, get a vet out.

There is no way to tell from pictures or just by looking at a mare if they are pregnant or not, unless feet are on their way out...
     
    12-29-2011, 01:11 PM
  #8
Super Moderator
I think the answer to the question is yes on both counts. Do you have a regular scheduled vet appointment coming up? If you do, I would tack a palpatation onto it.

Knowing her recent history, I would probably call the vet pretty quickly though...
     
    12-29-2011, 01:19 PM
  #9
Foal
I fully intend to get a vet out, as I said in original question. Its the whole endometrial cup and not being able to come in season that confuses me. From what understand for the fist x amount of days the cl controls the prgnancy and produces pregnancy hormones. After around 35 days endometrial cups develop and they take over. And also even if the pregnancy is lost these cups still carry on making the hormones. How long do they stay? If they stay for months and months then I highly doubt that she's in foal but if its just a matter of weeks then its likely that she is in foal. Anybody know any detailed info on these cup things?
     
    12-29-2011, 01:53 PM
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Trained
Equine Reproduction Lots of great information there.
     

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