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    12-02-2009, 01:51 PM
  #21
Weanling
You won't want to drop her feed intake after the foal is born-- she will be needing the extra feed to produce milk. In fact you will probably have to keep increasing her feed as the baby gets bigger and nurses more. Its really tough to get weight back on a nursing mare if they start to lose it, and nursing can take alot out of a mare if they aren't getting all they need.

If your pasture grass is fescue, that could cause a problem as far as grazing during the later stages of pregnancy. Your county extension agent might be able to help you find out about fescue in your area, and/or where to take a sample of your grass to have it looked at.

Based on what you have said about her foals, her being a roaned blanket rather than a fewspot does seem likely-- that does not mean all or even most of her foals will roan though-- for example, my stallion above ^^ roaned, but most of his offspring have not. He sires mostly blankets that do not roan, with an occassional roan-- for example, these four adult geldings/stallions are all sired by him, out of Thoroughbred mares--


And the mare on the left has an Appaloosa dam-- the mare on the right has an AQHA dam.


So, depending on the mare, stallion, and serindipitous Appaloosa luck, your offspring colors/patterns may vary .
     
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    12-02-2009, 02:11 PM
  #22
Green Broke
how much should I keep increasing? And how often should I increase it? Yeah it being fescue could cause a problem since the stalls are to small for her. If you looked at the pictures I posted would even that much hurt if it was fescue because the pasture she will be on is just like that. And does fescue have a distinct look? Maybe I can get some pictures of it for you?

Hehe as for the genetics well i'm hoping for an app foal but I will take what I can get!! Even if it comes out just a regular ole sorrel horse i'm fine with that. But if that baby comes out appy then I am going to be jumping for joy lol because our herd needs some color!
     
    12-02-2009, 02:30 PM
  #23
Weanling
>>>> how much should I keep increasing? And how often should I increase it?

That will really depend on the mare-- they are all different. Just be very obsevant of any minor changes in condition so you can reverse any loss immediately while it is minor.

>>>> yeah it being fescue could cause a problem since the stalls are to small for her. If you looked at the pictures I posted would even that much hurt if it was fescue because the pasture she will be on is just like that. And does fescue have a distinct look? Maybe I can get some pictures of it for you?

Fortunately we don't have fescue in my area, and as such I am not the person to ask about anything fescue-related-- I just know about the problems it can cause.

>>>>hehe as for the genetics well i'm hoping for an app foal but I will take what I can get!! Even if it comes out just a regular ole sorrel horse i'm fine with that. But if that baby comes out appy then I am going to be jumping for joy lol because our herd needs some color!

My sentiments exactly-- I breed and raise Appaloosas and of course hope for color and love all the possibilities, but a healthy happy correct baby is the #1 priority for sure!
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    12-02-2009, 02:36 PM
  #24
Green Broke
Alright. I will also ask how they increased her food the past times that she was pregnant.

Darn I guess i'll go picture hunting on some websites and see if I can compare. If not well then I guess i'm going to have to keep her in the stall although i'd hate for her to have her baby in there. So maybe when it gets around her due date late her go ahead and be out in the pasture?

Exactly I just want it to happy and healthy. It doesn't even have to be easy to train. I'll work hard on training if it's hard to train = ) i've got plenty of time and patience
     
    12-05-2009, 11:13 AM
  #25
Green Broke
I brought her home today!!! YAY! I was going to get soem pictures but it was raining. And yesterday someone told me to feel around for her Milk Vein. But I don't really know where to feel. And I felt around her stomache and didn't really feel anything? So where exactly do I feel and what am I feeling for??

I can't really find any Orchard Grass hay that isn't mized with Fescue. I have however called a pretty knowledgeable girl that was selling hay and she has a mixture of Fescue, Orchard, and Kentucky Bluegrass that isn't headed. And she said that the Head of the Fescue is what hurts the pregnant and lactating mare so would that work??

Also if that doesn't work I found a man that Sells Bermuda Grass hay that is 12% protein like Orcahrd. Although he keeps insisting that we feed Alfalfa but i'd rather not feed her Alfalfa hay. Which one of these do you guys think would be better for her??
     
    12-05-2009, 03:24 PM
  #26
Weanling
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Originally Posted by lilkitty90    
i can't really find any Orchard Grass hay that isn't mized with Fescue. I have however called a pretty knowledgeable girl that was selling hay and she has a mixture of Fescue, Orchard, and Kentucky Bluegrass that isn't headed. And she said that the Head of the Fescue is what hurts the pregnant and lactating mare so would that work??
Also if that doesn't work I found a man that Sells Bermuda Grass hay that is 12% protein like Orcahrd. Although he keeps insisting that we feed Alfalfa but i'd rather not feed her Alfalfa hay. Which one of these do you guys think would be better for her??
You live in NC. Unless you know that your pasture is not fescue, you can assume that it is fescue! Unless you have nearly no grass at all - I mean dirt, not 2" of grass, you have too much fescue! The fescue seed head will contain the endophyte, but so will the leaves, roots, stems, etc. Fescue is not safe for a broodmare in the last 60-90 days of gestation. I don't care if it is pre-bud stage or not - nor does it matter if it is mixed with orchardgrass - unless it is more than 95% fescue free, you don't need it for the last 90 days. Unless you have personally planted the pasture in the last 3 years with fescue free grass, you need to drylot the mare!
Your pretty knowledgable hay dealer needs to learn some more!
If your bermuda guy has a forage test on his hay proving it is 12%, it is probably pretty good hay. I'll second the notion of feeding alfalfa, if you know how to feed it!
If you need some more sources of fescue free hay in NC, pm me and I'll be happy to give you a list of dealers I know in the NC area.
     
    12-05-2009, 04:26 PM
  #27
Green Broke
Well I really have no expierence with Alfalfa so I doubt I know how to feed and ration it for her. It doesn't really look like it has any of the heads on it. But i'll have to get a picture of some pictures of the pasture so you know how little grass there is. If you seen in the pictures I have posted that is about how much grass there is. I don't have a Dry lot and my stables are too small for her to foal in so I have no other choice really
     
    12-05-2009, 07:37 PM
  #28
Weanling
Seriously, I would hate to have to deal with fescue. But after googling and reading the info at the links below, I think that if I lived where it was a problem, I would figure out a way to dry lot my mare. IMO too many risks to mare and foal letting them graze fescue.
Rural Heritage Vet Clinic - Endophyte Fescue Toxicity
Fescue Toxicity in Broodmares

Both articles also mention having your grass tested for presence of the fungus-- it lives between the cells in the grass and is not visibly detectable, nor is it JUST in the seed head.... but your county agent can test for it.

Also, as a FYI, The second article must be older, as it says Domperidone is still being tested in clinical trials and not readily available-- I know that it is now widely available.
     
    12-05-2009, 10:46 PM
  #29
Green Broke
Does it usually cost alot to have the county agent come out?? And how would I go about finding the number to contact them??

On a good note here are some pictures I took of her.
One of the pictures is of her bad eye. They said her eye has been like that since they've ahd her and they got her when she was 6. And she is 14 now.
And also one of the pics is of her only bad hoof. The farrier was out today and looked at it and said it was fine. And it looked like she had had and abcess once but it is growing out and getting better.

So what do you guys think? Blanket app??
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    12-06-2009, 08:11 AM
  #30
Weanling
She is really cute! She is in nice condition too. One thing I can tell from these new photos is she is not a fewspot. She might have had a blanket, and roaned off. She is not a roaned snowcap either-- too many spots on her butt-- so she will not produce color/characteristics 100% of the time-- closer to 50/50 for producing app color/characteristics. But cute mare!

My county extension agent has an office in the town one over from me, and I probably would just call first, and depending on what they instructed me to do, probably end up taking a sample in, and it would be free. (My dad did this with corn and hay when he had a specific question-- years ago when he was farming--at least that's how we did it then.) Mine is listed in the local phone book under the "US Federal" section in the Government pages-- Agriculture Department of-- USDA Service Center. So there is phone number and address there.
     

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