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Pregnant, yikes!? (Stallion or not?)

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Already posted this but am reposting with more information and even pictures.In October of 2013 I moved barns. I have a four year old mare that wasn't enduring heats before due to under weight (I have only had her for about a year) but started going into heat every one to two months and it will last about a week or two in duration when we moved. She wasnt introduced into the pasture until approximately end of November 2013 early December 2013. She is quite the flirt. She was recently going out to pasture with a quarter horse 'gelding', he has been caught mounting and hooking up with my mare. So now she doesn't go out to pasture with him anymore but her heats have stopped in the last two months. Is there such thing as 'spring fever' for horses? Is there anyway to tell other than getting her palpated if she is pregnant or he is a stud after all. He is an OTQH said never to have bred. But I have been informed that there is a chance that a ball never dropped and in some cases can drop even at 12 years old. Any advice is welcomed. (Take under consideration it isn't my intention to inpregnate my mare currently yes there are future plans but that is years into the future) the gelding doesn't belong to me and we are planning to take her to the vet but again keeping it on the down low because I will do everything in my power to avoid any sort of barn drama. Here are two pictures of her yesterday (August 1), her teats are slightly elongate and enlarge (she isn't fatty whatsoever). I can get a teat shot but that's probably if asked. She hasn't ever been bred. Also I should mention that there is a Paintaloosa (he is sp ugly he is cute) next door. But they are separated by a fence which is also wired with hotwire, so unlikely but not impossible. Thanks for all the help! Please try to be patient with me didn't plan for any sort of breeding and kinda tight on money.
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Here is a before and after she was out out with said gelding. The top is yesterday and the bottom is the before introduction.Her butt is a very decent thickness and so you can't see her width from behind but it's obvious from the from view. Will get a photo of that as well.
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This far along into pregnancy she would be way larger than she is now. With how little and "thin" she is, at eight to ten months pregnant she would be massive with belly size. Mares are pregnant for eleven months, she doesn't appear eight to ten months pregnant to me.
 
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She may not have been covered the minute she appeared in pasture. And if (hypotheticall though not sure) she were pregnant she may not be all the way to eight to ten months. :) I mean no offense with thos reply just an observation and if maybe from her other symptoms what could be going on. She is dewormed every six weeks. Also with the before and after shot, the top photo is her most recent of her. I will have to get a from view. And I was under the impression that many maiden mares don't even bag up until a night or two before foaling, so would I see a milk vein?
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[QUOE=Aesthetic;5939162]If I honestly remembered I would tell you, best thing you could do is phone your vet and ask!
Ultrasound shouldn't be sky high expensive, it's considered a primary treatment since breeding is very common.
If I were you I would get her ultrasounded, check for pregnancy and make sure twins is not possible.
Also! Debating...Do you have any pictures of this "Gelding?"
IF she is pregnant would you keep the foal or lute it?
It's an accidental breeding, if both parents are unproven, not well built, so forth the foal will receive a lot of that.
Unregistered and horses that are not eye catching do not sell for much. There are so many unwanted babies out there from BYB, accidental breedings, and surplus of breedings.

Before we get into all of that, I would make sure she IS pregnant. If she is not you dont have anything to worry about.[/QUOTE]

I have a picture of the head of the gelding in question. They have decent body structures, decent coloring, but their range in abilities are very great. My mare I use for drill team, barrels, ranch work, great trail horse, anything cow, poles, even done some english stuff. The 'gelding' 2D barrel racer,ex-roper/anything cow, great trail horse, very docile temperament. Very good and athletic horses. I do believe that it he baby could be sold if she were to be pregnant. But I would like to approach that after the pregnant or not question :). Male is also registered with beautiful bloodlines, exracer as well. Here is a picture of his head, what good it will do you I have no idea.
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I have a picture of the head of the gelding in question. They have decent body structures, decent coloring, but their range in abilities are very great. My mare I use for drill team, barrels, ranch work, great trail horse, anything cow, poles, even done some english stuff. The 'gelding' 2D barrel racer,ex-roper/anything cow, great trail horse, very docile temperament. Very good and athletic horses. I do believe that it he baby could be sold if she were to be pregnant. But I would like to approach that after the pregnant or not question :). Male is also registered with beautiful bloodlines, exracer as well. Here is a picture of his head, what good it will do you I have no idea.
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Coloring is the LAST concern in breeding.

How's his personality? Hers? Concentration? Patience? So forth? You say he's doccile, but HOW docile is he?

Where all has we raced? Roped? Does he only run local or does he actually PROVE his worth anywhere else?

You say you're low on money, I may be out of line but it's a huge concern.
Do you have the finance to give proper brood mare care? Vet checks and visits before and after delivery? Property for separation and weaning?

The reason i'm asking these questions is because IF SHE IS pregnant, you'll need to decide if you're ready and set to commit to this foal or if you are not and terminate the pregnancy.

Accidental pregnancy catches people by surprise, and if you aren't ready/fit/or knowledgeable on the costs/issues/care/ etc, it could wind up more than you can chew.

My work with my foal has been difficult, financially and care wise. My mare dropped a TREMENDOUS amount of weight from this foal no matter what I was feeding her or supplementing her! AND this baby was planned :lol::lol:
 
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I have a picture of the head of the gelding in question. They have decent body structures, decent coloring, but their range in abilities are very great. My mare I use for drill team, barrels, ranch work, great trail horse, anything cow, poles, even done some english stuff. The 'gelding' 2D barrel racer,ex-roper/anything cow, great trail horse, very docile temperament. Very good and athletic horses. I do believe that it he baby could be sold if she were to be pregnant. But I would like to approach that after the pregnant or not question :). Male is also registered with beautiful bloodlines, exracer as well. Here is a picture of his head, what good it will do you I have no idea.
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To be honest I don't know the extent of his showing only his cow horse years and he went state wide and even to a few next door state competitions and won money. He has won money for both barrels and anything cow. She has won me money even at such a young age. When I say docile I mean very docile. He is very attentive as well as she. He is very calm and listens extremely well, not an aggressive personality whatsoever in either of them. My mare has very much room to keep learning. I often ride her with not a single piece of tack on but a rope around her neck. She is very laidback, often comes to my whistle in a twenty acre pasture. There is plenty of room for weaning and separating between her and a foal so no worries in that department. If she is indeed pregnant and doesn't foal until December I have no worries in money. The reason I say my money is tight right now is because I just today, paid over $700 for farrier next week, board for two horses, feed and hay for the month for two horses. If she were to be pregnant and possibly foal I would take care of her. Money would not stop me from caring for her properly along with the foal. Though she will be my first mare to give birth I have worked with many breeding barns and needing to care for the foals afterwards I am very used to. I wouldn't terminate the pregnancy, not in a billion year because though it's unplanned it will be accepted. I am prepared to care for this foal. The prospect of one is nerve wracking but very very exciting.
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Could be a phantom pregnancy? It happened with my lease mare. One day I went down to the pasture to find grey hairs all over her back and rump, she was in with a grey gelding. Then when the lease was up and I gave the mare back, I got a phone call a few months later asking if there had been any stallions grazing with her. I said no, but remembered seeing the grey hair on her back and wondering if she'd been bred. Apparently my mare was showing all signs of pregnancy, including an expanding belly, but there was no foal when she was ultrasounded.

This situation just brought it to mind. I'd definitely get her ultrasounded if you can, because that's the only way you'll know.
 
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The detail about the stallion next door (with a single strand of hot wire that is usually off) wasn't part of the previous thread I read. Get her preg checked for sure and don't let her share a fence with the stallion. He is your first suspect if your mare is pregnant. Geldings can be aroused into breeding behavior by other males exhibiting breeding behavior. Mares are bred every year due to bad fencing and improper separation of mares and studs. Stallion owners are usually liable by law for accidental breedings, which is why most boarding facilities will not accept stallions because they would be liable if their fencing or facilities in general were insufficient to prevent accidental breedings.
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I do apologize for withholding such information but I was just notified that he was in fact a stud as of recently. So I didn't even know myself! I have been able to talk to the barn manager/gelding owner and we had a very calm discussion about it and we are getting checked with everyone knowledgeable about the situation. There is something amiss with her teats and will post an image, they are increasing in size and I worry that if it is phantom pregnancy what could cause this? (Keep in mind she hasn't ever been bred)
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It is extremely unlikely that a "gelding" could impregnate your mare.

You have 2 possibilities:

1 - The gelding is a normal gelding, couldn't impregnate anything, and just has enough hormones to still be able to perform the sexual act.

2 - The gelding wasn't gelded properly, or is cryptorchid; if you can't see or feel a testicle, than it's inside the body, at a very high temperature. Chances of it being fertile are very, very low.

Have a vet's visit, but I doubt that she is pregnant.
 
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A third possibility is a very recently gelded stallion being turned out with in heat mares. It takes about 8 weeks for a stallion to have hormone levels fade to gelding levels. In addition, they can still have a few viable sperm in their reproductive duct for a few weeks (I want to say two or three weeks) post gelding. Which means you can potentially have a gelding sire offspring. It would be rare but not impossible.
 
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Rookie I was also under the assumption that recently gelded male still retained some viable sperm. I recently had two colts gelded and one is a coming 3 year old. I asked the vet how long until he could not impregnate a mare. He stated after gelding he would be infertile immediately. This is from a vet that also teaches animal science in a local college. Shalom
 
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