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post #11 of 30 Old 07-13-2012, 01:40 PM
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Before making the decision to breed your mare, I would first make certain you know what you're getting in for. As Annanoel pointed out, breeding a mare and having a foal is a TON of work as well as very costly. I would highly recommend doing some in-depth research and speaking with those who may be involved in the equine breeding industry. They can help to provide you with some insight on the costs of breeding as well as the time and training of a young foal.

Keep in mind that if you do decide to pursue breeding your mare, she will be a maiden; having never been bred before. This can pose some challenges and needs to be carefully understood. Typically a mare will mature and reach ideal breeding age between 4 -7 years of age. A breeding soundness exam should be preformed by a vet to determine if the mare's reproductive tract is healthy enough to conceive and carry a foal to term. A maiden mare will also have a hymen that should ideally be "corrected" by sterile instruments during the exam and allow her ample time to recover before being serviced or bred. Once a breeding soundness exam has been performed, one needs to have a pretty good understanding of the mare's heat cycle. A maiden mare may take longer to take and one may have to attempt numerous breedings before she conceives. Oftentimes it may be benefitial to follow up with an ultrasound to confirm pregnancy.

Just in getting a mare bred there are a lot of underlying costs besides just the stud fee. You ultimately want to keep your mare's safety at the forefront of any decision you choose to make.
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post #12 of 30 Old 07-13-2012, 11:51 PM
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If your mare is 3 YO you can safely breed her now with no long term harm done. Lots of mares are bred at 2 and 3 without complications.
I for one do not believe that a horse has to earn the right to breed in the show ring.
Most horses will never see the inside of an arena or compete for ribbons.
My stallion has never been shown. He does have outstanding breeding though and great conformation, willing mind and outstanding gaits.
Your mare needs to have great conformation and disposition.
You need to have the finances and other resources to provide and care for the foal.
Good luck with your decision. Shalom
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post #13 of 30 Old 07-16-2012, 06:54 AM
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A horse does not HAVE to have a show record to be a reasonable breeding prospect.

The Olympian I went to work for for a week has 70+ broodmares, NONE of which are broke to saddle or have EVER seen the inside of a show ring. They ALL have outstanding bloodlines and produce stunning foals, but despite their bloodlines, conformation etc and the bloodlines and conformation of the stallions they STILL occasionally drop average foals.

They haven't had a mediocre foal, EVER, but average is not unusual. That's from TOP bloodlines!! They have some truly superb youngstock there, some good youngstock, and some average youngstock, all from his own top quality mares and stallions.

Breeding is a gamble at best. You should breed THE ABSOLUTE BEST mare to the absolute best stallion you can get your hands on, and if you can't get your hands on horses of superior quality, don't even go there. The average person can breed a horse, nothing wrong with that, but your chances of getting a fugly are so much higher if you use average to mediocre horses for breeding.

The market is rubbish atm, why breed for ANOTHER "just a paint" when you COULD give it your best shot at a world beater? "I'll never sell it" is simply not a reason, either, because you never know what the future holds, and circumstances might very well force you to sell (and sell quick) - so why not breed for the best possible foal and give it the best possible chance of a good home, and fast?

Note, I know NOTHING about your mare, so I couldn't say if she is or isn't breeding quality... just be aware that cheap stallions are cheap for a reason, and most of them should be avoided. A GOOD stud will set you back (here in Aus) anywhere from $1500 upwards. I have seen stallions with fees in excess of $5000 and TB stallions often fetch $80,000 PER COVERING. Especially the greats!

And stud fee isn't the least of it either! There's preg checks and ultrasounds, feed for the pregnant/lactating mare, the foal (before weaning and then more so afterwards) until it's all grown up and ready to break..... it's quite common for foals to cost $10,000+ from covering to breaking, or more!

...if it was ME, I would just be buying a weanling or a 3-4yo. You know what you're getting then!
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post #14 of 30 Old 07-16-2012, 11:42 PM
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I cannot tell if your mare is brown or bay from the pics. However, I do think she is a tobiano and a minimal one at that.

Regardless, you have been offered some very good information here, which you should seriously consider.

Another thing, she could be hiding frame, so you need to test her for that well before seeking a stud. You should also test her for tobiano. If she is a homozygous tobi, then she will always produce coloured offspring.

Could you show us some good conformation shots of her? She should be standing on a solid surface and standing as close to four square as possible. Maybe one taken from the front and back too. It would give members here, some good ideas for you, as to whether she is close to being breeding quality or not.

I 'think' you are probably young and having your mare produce a baby, sounds exciting. Believe me, the excitement wears off in a hurry, if your mare dies during foaling, or the mare and foal both die. In the event of an orphan baby who needs care and feeding round the clock, it can become a nightmare for the family. And vet bills mount up, even if the mare foals without incident. If you do it properly, breeding is expensive. This is the reason, after four generations in horses, our family no longer breeds. We can't afford to do it properly.

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post #15 of 30 Old 07-17-2012, 12:59 AM
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Before you think of breeding just to breed, consider all the horses sitting in kill pens at the slaughter auctions that could use a home. Just because they are at the slaughter auctions doesn't mean they are not nice horses. If you want a foal there are many orphan foals who would love to have a home too.
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post #16 of 30 Old 07-18-2012, 08:05 PM Thread Starter
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My mare is a bay tobiano her mane and tail as well as legs (before they turn white) are black ;)

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post #17 of 30 Old 07-18-2012, 08:42 PM
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Originally Posted by horsesRamazing View Post
My mare is a bay tobiano her mane and tail as well as legs (before they turn white) are black ;)
Brown horses can have black manes, tails, and legs. It is caused by a variation of the same gene that turns a black horse into a bay horse, hence why they are so similar looking. Your mare is brown.
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post #18 of 30 Old 07-20-2012, 09:33 PM
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I find it scary that you say your mare already has a show record, your barn info says she likes gaming and going fast, yet she's only 3 years 4 months. I'm one of these people who don't like to see horses started until they're close to 3, let alone working them hard at a young age. Too many horses get worked hard too young and then end up with massive health problems, arthritis, etc.

What's your reason for wanting to breed her? Is her conformation totally perfect? Are her bloodlines amazing? Or is it just that she's sweet, pretty and you want a foal? Also, how old are you and have you discussed this in depth with your parents?

I'm just interested because in my area there are constantly good horses for sale that are pregnant because the owner can no longer afford the care. Its easy to think, "Oh, I can afford a $200 stud fee, no problem!" People forget the additional feed, supplements, special shots every few months, constant vet fees, then the possiblity of something going wrong. Mare or foal or both could die. Then what? All that money spent for nothing. Have a look at some of the foaling threads on here. Yeah, exciting, but there have been some tragic deaths this year.
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post #19 of 30 Old 07-21-2012, 04:13 PM
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Breeding a mare is a lot of work (obviously). I grew up around breeding standardbreds. Having grown up around it I have seen some of the bad things associated with breeding. Orphaned foals, mares that colic after birth, foals born with seizures and sweet foals that are born with some leg deformity and have to be euthanized (the mares completely loose it). Can you handle those possabilities? Then if you breed the mare and get a successful foal what happens? You can't really ride or use that foal until its 2-3 years. Which means you have stud fees, pneumbort K shots every few months, pregnancy checks, foal watch, foal training, feeding a foal and weaning a foal. You need to have a safe, secure and separate place to keep the foal from getting to the mother. Then you feed it and care for it for 2 years and only then can you start to put a saddle on it and work with it lightly.

Now, you sound young, your mare sounds young. So, if you are in high school (I am estimating your age) what happens to college? Do your parents want to take care of the mare and foal? If you don't go to college what kind of job are you going to have? Will that job allow you to pay for mare and foal board?

I guess I would think and talk to some folks who know your mare about breeding and get their honest opinion. I grew up around mares and foals. We had a nice foal this year I expect him to be the last. It's like playing a slot machine. Sometimes you get rich and get a good foal. Most of the time it does not turn out like you expected it to.
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I don't know anyone, 'getting rich' from horses, at the moment. If most of us added up the money we have spent on horses and the amount we have gained form selling foals, it might be a huge disappointment.

Horse breeding at best, is a hobby and for those who can afford it.

Why to you think, after four generations of horse ownership and breeding, I will sadly, not see a fifth? Horses cost. Horse keeping and breeding is expensive. The majority of foals these days if sold, do not cover the cost of the breeding.

Certainly, there will be the irresponsible, who still breed anything to whatever is handy. They will only be adding to the enormous numbers of unwanted horses. Most of the time, they will be adding to the thousands slaughtered each month.

I'm sick of hearing those who say, they will be keeping the foal for ever. Nobody can foretell that. Things change. Life changes. So the best we can do, if we do indeed decide to breed, is to make sure that foal is of quality, background and pedigree, to be wanted by others in the future.

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