Question for anyone who has mares and foals. - The Horse Forum
 16Likes
Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools
post #1 of 30 Old 05-26-2013, 01:48 PM Thread Starter
Foal
 
Join Date: May 2013
Posts: 11
• Horses: 8
Question Question for anyone who has mares and foals.

Okay, So I have standardbred racehorses, and three broodmares a few years ago I bred all three of them, and the pregnancies went really well. The three of them were no more than 5 feet apart for their whole pregnancies, and two were born perfectly healthy, but one had something weird going on, I called my vet, who is also a horse breeder, and he said out of his 30 mares, 10 of them had the same thing, and he said he never seen this disease before. So last year, I bred two of my mares that had the healthy foals, and one of them had a foal with the same weird disease. Both of them lived no longer than 5 days, they are not in pain, but they just get weak and fall asleep.

So I guess my question is, has anyone had this same problem with their foals??

NOTE: If you are going to criticize the way I raise babies, just remember that its not just my foals that are passing, the whole point of this question is to see if anyone knows more than I already do.
Attached Images
File Type: jpg teeterr.jpg (51.7 KB, 186 views)

Never discourage anyone if they are making progress and learning, even if it isn't at the pace everybody else is going.
BarnDoogle is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
post #2 of 30 Old 05-26-2013, 02:09 PM
Green Broke
 
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: Kentucky
Posts: 4,374
• Horses: 0
Is there a NAME for this disease? No way would I criticize you about the way you raise colts!

Nancy
EvilHorseOfDoom likes this.
greentree is offline  
post #3 of 30 Old 05-26-2013, 02:23 PM
Showing
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: Saskatchewan
Posts: 12,025
• Horses: 2
Quote:
Originally Posted by greentree View Post
Is there a NAME for this disease? No way would I criticize you about the way you raise colts!

Nancy
You may of you read this post from another thread by this poster

Quote:
I tubed mineral oil, gave him banamine, called like 6 different vets out, and by the time a vet came out, he unfortunately already passed away... Thanks for all of your help... I have never used this site before, but so far I have lost 3 foals, one broodmare, and a saddle horse due to disease, prolapsing or colic, and I didn't want this horse to pass on too, but I guess he wasn't meant to be on this earth.... Thanks for your help again...
Op what you are describing sounds like Dummy Foal syndrome.
Golden Horse is offline  
post #4 of 30 Old 05-26-2013, 03:04 PM
Started
 
Join Date: Nov 2012
Location: Canada
Posts: 1,938
• Horses: 2
I found an article on dummy foal syndrome. The official name for it is Equine Neonatal Maladjustment Syndrome. The rest of the article can be found here.

Dummy foal syndrome is not a disease but, rather, a broad term that applies to foals that exhibit abnormal, often vague behaviors and/or neurologic signs during their first few days of life. These signs include sleepiness, ataxia, weakness, circling, disinterest in the mare or in nursing, loss of suckle reflex, chewing or licking stall walls, abnormal vocalization, hypersensitivity to the touch, depression, or seizures. Other names used to describe this syndrome are neonatal maladjustment syndrome, hypoxic ischemic encephalopathy, peripartum asphyxia syndrome, wanderer foal, or barker foal (for foals having abnormal vocalizations).

Causes

Although commonly associated with an adverse periparturient (around the time of birth) event, dummy foal syndrome also occurs in foals that haven't had an obvious periparturient problem. "Thus, dummy foal syndrome could result from some type of unrecognized in utero hypoxia (inadequate oxygen supply)," says Bonnie Barr, VMD, Dipl. ACVIM, an internist at Rood & Riddle Equine Hospital in Lexington, Ky.
Glynnis is offline  
post #5 of 30 Old 05-26-2013, 04:00 PM
Weanling
 
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: UK
Posts: 695
• Horses: 2
I would suggest dummy foal, but it is not a disease but merely a lack of oxygen to the brain cause brain damage, some foals survive, others do not.

What are there IgB levels? Do you see the suckling or attempting to suckle?

For my blog please visit www.deliciousdelicia.wordpress.com
DeliciousD is offline  
post #6 of 30 Old 05-26-2013, 05:04 PM Thread Starter
Foal
 
Join Date: May 2013
Posts: 11
• Horses: 8
There is no attempting to suck, get up, or even get out of the sack by themselves. The colt in the picture was the fist one with whatever was wrong with them, but the second colt looked like he had more will to survive, and suck. He got out of the sack himself, but again, in five days, he passed away. There was also another colt who had the same thing, but after giving birth, the mare prolapsed and passed away also.

To greentree (Nancy) thanks for your comment. :) I appreciate it. It is such a heartache, and I don't need any rude comments.

Never discourage anyone if they are making progress and learning, even if it isn't at the pace everybody else is going.
BarnDoogle is offline  
post #7 of 30 Old 05-26-2013, 05:08 PM
Trained
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: OK
Posts: 9,399
• Horses: 11
Quote:
Originally Posted by BarnDoogle View Post
There is no attempting to suck, get up, or even get out of the sack by themselves. The colt in the picture was the fist one with whatever was wrong with them, but the second colt looked like he had more will to survive, and suck. He got out of the sack himself, but again, in five days, he passed away. There was also another colt who had the same thing, but after giving birth, the mare prolapsed and passed away also.

To greentree (Nancy) thanks for your comment. :) I appreciate it. It is such a heartache, and I don't need any rude comments.
Where are you? It sounds like more than just Dummy Foal Syndrome to me. I wonder about Fescue Toxicity? Is that an issue where you are?

Dreamcatcher Arabians is offline  
post #8 of 30 Old 05-26-2013, 06:20 PM Thread Starter
Foal
 
Join Date: May 2013
Posts: 11
• Horses: 8
I live in Calgary AB, and that's what I thought it was too, but if it is, then why did two mares have perfectly healthy foals, and one mare not have a healthy one? and there are no other older horses that have been affected by this issue.

Never discourage anyone if they are making progress and learning, even if it isn't at the pace everybody else is going.
BarnDoogle is offline  
post #9 of 30 Old 05-26-2013, 06:24 PM
Yearling
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: Florida
Posts: 896
• Horses: 1
So with the three foals that have died, has the vet had hands on contact with them, or are you just getting his opinion over the phone? What where the foals IgG levels? What was done to help them survive for 5 days?
dbarabians likes this.

People with true credibility and integrity don't need to tell other people how great they are.
MsBHavin is offline  
post #10 of 30 Old 05-26-2013, 10:12 PM Thread Starter
Foal
 
Join Date: May 2013
Posts: 11
• Horses: 8
The vet said their IgG levels were normal, and yes, he always does hands on work. Also, as I said earlier, he has babies with the same problem, so he wants to find the problem too. No one knows why they stay alive for five days, they just do, no one has to do anything to keep them alive, and as soon as we saw the condition they were in, we milked the mare to get the colostrum, and bottle fed the foal.

Also, the vet had a theory, that the muscle didn't adhere to the bone, but he said he was totally in the dark on this one.

Never discourage anyone if they are making progress and learning, even if it isn't at the pace everybody else is going.

Last edited by BarnDoogle; 05-26-2013 at 10:15 PM.
BarnDoogle is offline  
Reply

Quick Reply
Message:
Options

Register Now



In order to be able to post messages on the The Horse Forum forums, you must first register.

Already have a Horse Forum account?
Members are allowed only one account per person at the Horse Forum, so if you've made an account here in the past you'll need to continue using that account. Please do not create a new account or you may lose access to the Horse Forum. If you need help recovering your existing account, please Contact Us. We'll be glad to help!

New to the Horse Forum?
Please choose a username you will be satisfied with using for the duration of your membership at the Horse Forum. We do not change members' usernames upon request because that would make it difficult for everyone to keep track of who is who on the forum. For that reason, please do not incorporate your horse's name into your username so that you are not stuck with a username related to a horse you may no longer have some day, or use any other username you may no longer identify with or care for in the future.



User Name:
Password
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.

Password:


Confirm Password:
Email Address
Please enter a valid email address for yourself.

Email Address:
OR

Log-in









Human Verification

In order to verify that you are a human and not a spam bot, please enter the answer into the following box below based on the instructions contained in the graphic.



Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Show Printable Version
Email this Page Email this Page



Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Best Way to Trailer Mares and Foals Horseygirlsmith Horse Trailers 11 05-03-2013 12:25 AM
Transporting Mares & Foals Whispering Meadows Horse Talk 2 08-05-2012 09:30 PM
Question: Mares and Foals loralei65 Horse Talk 6 03-18-2012 06:47 PM
is there anyway i can find my mares foals? Rachel1786 Horse Breeds 4 02-20-2011 08:12 PM
New to the forums - questions about Mares with foals! karebear41486 Horse Riding 6 08-08-2010 10:51 PM

Posting Rules  
You may post new threads
You may post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On

 
For the best viewing experience please update your browser to Google Chrome