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post #1 of 22 Old 03-28-2009, 12:41 PM Thread Starter
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Question on registering Opalís baby - Old NA or Old Verband? Thoughts?

I wanted to get your input on registering Opal's baby and getting her inspected and approved in one of the mare books.

I understand that Mannhattan is approved/licensed with both Oldenberg NA and Oldenberg Verband. Aside from the Old Verband costing more, I wanted to get some input on where you think the baby would be better registered. Opal is a registered, papered TB (and I have her original JC papers) of good bloodlines and conformation. It seems to me that she'd be more likely to be placed in a lower mare book with the Old Verband, but wanted thoughts on where she'd be best inspected/registered as I want what is best for the baby. Hoping for a boy - will more likely than not geld as in all reality I don't have the money or the means to promote a stallion, and if it's a filly, will likely be listed for sale. That said - what are your recommendations?

Thanks for your input!
Here's a link to a few pics of Opal just to give you an idea of what she's like (if you are interested).
(please note the ONLY confo pic I have on this computer is from her straight off the track about 4 years ago - it will give you an idea of angles, but NOT of any muscling or conditioning as she's in much better shape now - I realized I need to get current confo pics).





And here's a trot video from over a year ago when she was just starting back in work - she's out of the pelham and in a happy mouth loose ring but I don't have anything current unfortunately. I do have a show jumping video with Emily on her but please note it was both Opal's and Emily's first big show together and Opal was excited and I think Em was a bit tense/nervous. Again not looking for a riding critique as Em's riding has come VERY far since then - just for an idea of her movement if anyone cares.

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ACK how do I embed the youtube videos!? Thanks!!!

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When I embed them I just copy the link in the Address Bar, surprisingly, they imbed themselves after that, LOL! Here ya go!


I can't get the first one to work, its a link to The Horse Forum though, not YouTube =)

I don;t know much of Warmbloods, so I can't help ya on your Original Post :p I can say she is a remarkable mover!

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Thanks Skippy....trying again...and how were you able to see the link to the videos?! On my screen it shows that nothing posted not even the links?!

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Hmm...did that work?

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YAY it worked lol! Now for help with where to register the baby and present Opal for approval.....lol

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LOL I am a sneeky ninja like that :p

I right clicked the "X" image and then selected "Properties" then looked at the "Address (URL):" and saw the link to the video you were trying to post :p

What I lack in knowledge of bits (particularly the classification of snaffle, lol!), I gain in knowledge of the interwebz!

So hooray! We both learned something from eachother today! LOL!

Glad to help hun! Even if it wasn't on topic! =)

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YAY it worked lol! Now for help with where to register the baby and present Opal for approval.....lol

I would go with the OLD NA. I don't think her movement would put her highly placed in the Verband. Her conformation however lookes fine for either.
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Well I've always registered my guys with the Old Verband, but that's because I find the inspectors more knowledgeable and I knew that my guys should get Premium, so I figured that they might as well get premium with the Verband ...I coveted the plaque that came with it LOL (plus it turned out to be really convenient with inspections! They were only an hour drive from me)

I think she's lovely. She isn't as flashy in movement as some, but she's nicely put together and has got some good bone to her-exactly what they like to see in a TB mare. Judging from the TB mares that I've seen enter both the Old. NA and the Old. Verband, she'll definitely get approved, but Spyder is right, she will likely get a bit lower in the Old. Na, just because they aren't as strict on criteria as the Europeans

A possibility though, is waiting for the foal to be born if you're doing the Verband. The verband seemed to think MUCH higher of thoroughbred broodmares if they could see the quality of foal that they delivered.

Either way though, even if she just gets into a low book, it won't matter-the foal will still be registered. I think the only difference is that they can't award Premium unless the mare is in the Main Mare Book

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Well I've always registered my guys with the Old Verband, but that's because I find the inspectors more knowledgeable and I knew that my guys should get Premium, so I figured that they might as well get premium with the Verband ...I coveted the plaque that came with it LOL (plus it turned out to be really convenient with inspections! They were only an hour drive from me)

I think she's lovely. She isn't as flashy in movement as some, but she's nicely put together and has got some good bone to her-exactly what they like to see in a TB mare. Judging from the TB mares that I've seen enter both the Old. NA and the Old. Verband, she'll definitely get approved, but Spyder is right, she will likely get a bit lower in the Old. Na, just because they aren't as strict on criteria as the Europeans

A possibility though, is waiting for the foal to be born if you're doing the Verband. The verband seemed to think MUCH higher of thoroughbred broodmares if they could see the quality of foal that they delivered.

Either way though, even if she just gets into a low book, it won't matter-the foal will still be registered. I think the only difference is that they can't award Premium unless the mare is in the Main Mare Book
I've got an inspection w/in 40 min for Old Verband, and 2h for Old NA so I'm not concerned on that. I thought she'd be higher in Old NA - is that what you meant above? You said she'd be lower in the Old NA but I think you meant Verband (which was my initial thought too). Oh and either way she'll be going with the foal for inspection (due in 5 weeks, inspections late summer) which should slightly improve her chances. She's bred to Mannhattan, who is Old NA but was recently also licensed/approved Old Verband (though also since HE is newer to Old Verband, was again thinking NA would be better since he's an established stud there and she is a TB).

She's a nice TB, just not a 10 mover by any means. She's a GREAT jumper and her full brother jumps with incredible power & scope, more like a WB than any TB I've seen which is why I chose to breed her (remember that's a student on her).

So vote so far is Old NA right? That's what I was leaning towards as well myself - b/t Mannhattan being more established there, and the better chances of her being in a higher mare book. And I guess it won't matter TOO much though since if it's a boy - it will be gelded (unless I make all sorts of money to show and campaign a stallion hahahahahaha).

So here's the key question since I'm hoping for a boy:
That in mind - is there any benefit to having an Old Verband gelding versus an Old NA gelding? Will the baby be ranked higher/lower depending on how she ranks?

Obviously it's better if it's a filly to have both dam and filly be in a higher book for breeding purposes (even though I plan to sell filly - should increase her value more to be in a higher book) so was thinking filly DEF Old NA. Right?

Sheesh this is confusing lol!!!

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