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    05-21-2011, 02:58 PM
Registered Vs. Unregistered

So I've worked on a Dude Ranch for the last 5 years and of all the horses that have passed through the farm only two (including mine) are Registered with papers to prove it. Now it's been my own personal experience that papers don't make a good horse, and these two papered horses are about as smart as fence posts (even mine I'm sad to say, though I love him dearly) and the unregistered "mutts" if you will are hard-working, honest, dependable horses, with little to no soundness/health issues and are just as pretty (in my eyes) as any Registered horse.

Then I talked to a friend who is looking to do some local showing and trying to find a horse suitable to the western pleasure she's hoping to compete in. And in our conversation I suggested that she should inquire about one of the ranch horses who is going up for sale soon. The horse I asked about she has ridden many times, and adores the horse. This horse is about as versatile as horses come, and would easily do local pleasure circuits, as well as probably excell in some english disciplines as well. She didn't give it any thought before saying no. I asked why. She said because he's not Registered. That's the ONLY reason.

So? It's a gelding. What does it matter anyways? Because another horse has a slip of paper saying he's somebody that makes him automatically a better horse? It boggles my mind that someone who is looking to do local showing would turn down a horse because he 'isn't registered'.

So this is my question. Registered or un-registered, which do you prefer, and why?
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    05-21-2011, 03:04 PM
If its a gelding I don't think it matters. But for a mare or stallion I would want a registered horse if I was going to brreed it.
    05-21-2011, 03:06 PM
I don't really care either way, but in many cases to be able to show you have to have a registered horse. If I get back into showing I'll have to look into registering, but I'm not going to pay the registration fee to just ride in the back yard and on trails. I personally don't think it means more or less if their registered or not. It's mainly important in the show circuits.
    05-21-2011, 03:07 PM
If she wants to do any sort of local quarter horse (assuming because you said WP) circuit, she'd have to have a registered horse.
    05-21-2011, 03:11 PM
Green Broke
It doesn't matter what people's personal sentiments are, the simple fact of the matter is registered horses will ALWAYS sell for more with the same amount of training. It's much like artwork - there may be no real reason for why it's selling so high, but you can't control the market based on sentiment.

If I was showing, I wouldn't invest my time, money and effort into an unregistered animal. Because even if he's the EXACT same as another horse that's registered, he'll sell for half the price. It doesn't matter if I think that unregistered horses are just as good, it matters that society is not going to give a **** how much work I've put into an unregistered horse when they can buy a registered one with the same skills.

A huge part of it is breed showing - I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure we don't just have "National Champion Western Pleasure" without it being within a breed association. In which case, an unregistered animal seriously hinders you. You'll often find unregistered animals in disciplines that DON'T focus on breed showing like barrel racing, jumping or Dressage for example. And even then, they're usually registered because you're investing money into a horse with PROVEN bloodlines and performance pedigree to take you to the top.

Grades have their place, I own two myself. But I would never ever breed a Grade because they just don't TYPICALLY have a place in high performance competition. Five in every five million is not an excuse to breed more of them.
    05-21-2011, 03:19 PM
I guess if one wanted to go to provincial wide show and national levels, then it would matter... the local shows here though couldn't give a hoot. You could ride a mule in a pleasure class and they'd probably applaud your initiative. Although I have noticed some judges do react more favouarbly towards the known registered horses than the ones that are mutts.

To be honest I've never thought of it quite like that MMik, but it makes sense if you were intending to sell it later.
    05-21-2011, 03:24 PM
A grade horse can be great for pleasure riding, but it will likely be far more difficult to find classes which to show. I even the local shows here are for mostly registered horses, though there are a couple of non-registered classes at the shows. I don't know what your area is like, but I wouldn't buy a grade for any kind of showingfor the simple fact of such limited showing opportunities.
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    05-21-2011, 03:25 PM
Green Broke
It really is just the facts - I think people get to hung up on what THEY think, without realizing that society doesn't give a hoot what you think. I chose to buy an unregistered animal for less because I will only ever compete in local shows and even if I DID own a registered Paint, we have ZERO Paint shows around here. For my intents and purposes, Jynxy is all I'll ever need and due to the local level of showing, I could probably sell her easily. However, I'd make a lot more on her if she was registered. Because she will only EVER be good enough for local shows, so why does someone want to spend $5,000+ on a horse that will never take them to the top? A horse that will never win them money doing local shows? She's a fun Grade and that's about it.

Granted, she doesn't have the conformation to take anyone to the top, and I agree if it's only local showing, then unregistered/Grades are awesome horses. Often you can actually get lucky and get a REALLY good horse that actually has a good pedigree and performance record and just didn't get registered due to some unfortunate error. So you'll spend less on a great horse that can win at local levels without even trying!
    05-21-2011, 03:44 PM
Any horse used in a working way ( non showing--like ranch work) but trained well will suit most people and in those cases training prevails over registration.

Once you enter the show world even were registration is NOT required ( like dressage/jumping) then you are looking at a multiple opportunities for registration to further yourselves and give you more opportunities not available to an unregistered horse.

Here are some areas most people never think about as well as some common opportunities closed to the unregistered horse.

Awards within the registry

Ability to enter young horse competitions for jumper and dressage

Allow YOUR registry to become ranked world wide ( this is for the rider--registry- and horse)

More sell-able value

Known history if breeding

Proof of ownership

Proof of third part evaluation ( for the registries that do inspections)

Now except for the breeding aspects the above DOES apply to geldings.
    05-21-2011, 04:28 PM
Green Broke
I agree with the others that registration matters for showing and so it makes sense for her not to want him, simply for that reason. Around my area there are plenty of registered QH's and Paints (other breeds as well but those are the most common) and just as many grades because in a small town like mine most people ride trails or just the local gymkhana. Even people with registered horses have atleast one or more unregistered in their herd.
The sad thing is that many are purebred and could have been registered but their papers were just never sent in and so all history of their breeding has been lost. Such is the case with my Arab mare. It's no biggie for me because I don't compete but it would be nice to have papers, especially if I were ever to decide to breed her. And yes, papers nearly ALWAYS make a horse worth more money.

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