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        06-13-2013, 09:01 PM
      #11
    Trained
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    Originally Posted by sarahroach15    
    I am new to horse breeding. I just want to know as much as I can before I move forward with anything. The vet evaluated her about a month ago when he was also doing blood work for a coggins test because we just bought her in April and the previous owner did not have current paperwork.
    The first recommendation I have for frozen semen is: Don't use it

    Failing that, the second is: Make sure your vet is VERY VERY VERY experienced and has a good track record of getting mares in foal WITH FROZEN SEMEN, not just fresh, cooled, shipped semen. It's a very different ballgame and can run into BIG bucks even when done absolutely correctly. If she's a maiden mare, I wouldn't even consider it.
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        06-13-2013, 10:16 PM
      #12
    Started
    Besides conformation,pedigree & disposition suitable to be bred,what is the intended use for the foal? It is wise to Breed for like body type & discipline Also,Just because they may have some notibles in pedigree & are homozygous tobiano doesn't necessarily deem them prime breeding stock .
    Yes to your question,Homozygous Tobiano's CAN carry the frame/OLW gene so it is wise to test any breeding stock.
    As for frozen Semen,it is not used as often as TCS{cooled semen} which most stock horse breeding farms utilize. Frozen is not as user friendly & should have a vet skilled in handling/insemination of frozen. TCS is generally what people use when breeding /shipping in their own country.
    Been a while but from what I remember.....As far as paperwork the stallion owner has to submit documentation of collection with the semen & vet has to sign verify insemination. That form needs to be submitted to APHA registry. Stallion owner will have to have mare on his breeding report & mare will have to have DNA on file. If all paperwork is submitted you will receive a application for registry for said foal.Foal will need also need DNA done with submission of registration application.
    Agree with Dreamcatcher For a maiden unproven mare,I would think twice about doing AI.......
    There is more involved with shipping semen,stud fee/collection fees,shipping fees,vet charges. The stud fee is the cheap part it is the vet & other charges that add up especially if things don't go as smoothly as planned. Just prepare for anything $500++ in charges above the stud fee
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        06-13-2013, 10:38 PM
      #13
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    [QUOTE=sarahroach15;2795258]
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    Originally Posted by CLaPorte432    
    You can have one positive frame horse and not have complications. Its when you breed TWO frame carries together, that the result could be a LWO foal.

    Chilly is a frame carrier. I made sure to breed to a OWLS negative stallion.
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    Can the horses carry this gene if they are both homozygous tobiano? (they both are)
    Yes!

    Sabino, Splash, Frame and Tobiano are the 4 Primary pinto/paint genes. Most every horse will have a combination of them whether its frame and tobiano, frame and splash, tobiano and splash, ect.

    Even solid quarter horses can carry the frame gene. So never take for granted that a horse doesn't carry it because they don't "look" like it. It can be a very well hidden gene. Definitely do your research, comprehend and understand the OLWS disease. Its a horrible way for a foal to go. You don't want to put 11/12 months of work into the momma to be, just to lose the foal. Its not worth the heartbreak and a simple $25 test can prevent it.
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        06-13-2013, 11:16 PM
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    Be prepared to spend a bunch of money. The stallion I bred to was 2500 bucks, my total bill with everything ended up being close to 6250 and I had to switch stallions and use cooled instead of frozen semen. Good luck!
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        06-13-2013, 11:43 PM
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    Foal
    [QUOTE=CLaPorte432;2796314]
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    Originally Posted by sarahroach15    

    Yes!

    Sabino, Splash, Frame and Tobiano are the 4 Primary pinto/paint genes. Most every horse will have a combination of them whether its frame and tobiano, frame and splash, tobiano and splash, ect.

    Even solid quarter horses can carry the frame gene. So never take for granted that a horse doesn't carry it because they don't "look" like it. It can be a very well hidden gene. Definitely do your research, comprehend and understand the OLWS disease. Its a horrible way for a foal to go. You don't want to put 11/12 months of work into the momma to be, just to lose the foal. Its not worth the heartbreak and a simple $25 test can prevent it.
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    I'm a little confused. So you are saying that if they both parents are tobiano+tobiano the foal can still receive the frame gene?
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        06-13-2013, 11:44 PM
      #16
    Foal
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    Originally Posted by trainerunlimited    
    Be prepared to spend a bunch of money. The stallion I bred to was 2500 bucks, my total bill with everything ended up being close to 6250 and I had to switch stallions and use cooled instead of frozen semen. Good luck!
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    Yeah I'm beginning to think live cover may be the way to go.
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        06-14-2013, 12:26 AM
      #17
    Weanling
    In answer to this question:

    "I'm a little confused. So you are saying that if they both parents are tobiano+tobiano the foal can still receive the frame gene?"

    Homozygous tobiano just means the horse has two copies of the tobiano gene. It has nothing to do with the frame overo gene. ANY horse can carry a frame overo gene, even without showing any sort of pattern whatsoever. You should contact the owners of Summers Chico Bandito and see if he's been tested for frame. If he has and he's negative, then you have nothing to worry about. If he is positive, then you should test your mare and make sure she's negative before breeding to him.
         
        06-14-2013, 12:57 AM
      #18
    Foal
    Thanks for all the advice. She will be tested for the OLW gene when the vet comes to get her up to date on vaccinations. And we're probably going to go with live cover and pay the $1000 and be done with that part instead of dealing with the hassle of going through extra paperwork and people.


    And if anyone was wondering we are breeding western working horses off of her. And I would say she has been bred in the past judging by the size of her teats not that I'm an expert. It would be nice if more people would keep good records especially when they plan to sell.


    She won't be bred until the spring so until then I plan on doing plenty of reading on maintenance of a mare in foal.
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        06-14-2013, 01:04 AM
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    Trained
    Vets don't do the OLWS testing. Go to Horse Testing - Equine Genetic Testing or Horse Tests
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        06-14-2013, 01:23 AM
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    Foal
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    Originally Posted by NdAppy    
    Vets don't do the OLWS testing. Go to Horse Testing - Equine Genetic Testing or Horse Tests
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    Alrighty
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