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        04-01-2010, 08:20 PM
      #11
    Foal
    I personally found buying a registered Quarter Horse to be a complete pain in the butt because the AQHA forced me to have a membership to transfer his papers to me....

    Although I think I'd like to have papers for my palomino, since I'm her 3rd or so owner and I know nothing about her... I don't even know for sure how old she is, I've been told she's believed to be 7 or 8, but she was given to her last owner as a supposed 4 y/o, and they only had her a year.... oh well... I love her anyway...
         
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        04-01-2010, 08:27 PM
      #12
    Green Broke
    I think it's entirely dependent on what you want a horse for.

    If you want to breed, you should have a registered horse, and likewise be breeding to a registered stallion. Emphasis on should, obviously not everyone does.

    If you want to show anywhere outside of 4-H, you need a registered horse. (At least for breed circuits, I don't know about dressage etc, good question Farmpony)

    If you just want a horse to tool around on and trail ride, or use for a working scenario - well horses can't read and you can't ride papers
         
        04-02-2010, 12:28 AM
      #13
    Weanling
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    Originally Posted by Peetz    
    So does a bill of sale and personal records of lineage. The entire thing comes down to "you can ride in the breed shows."

    What benefits does a club offer that you can not get from paying your yearly fee?
    What did we do before " clubs" were formed? I belong to the APHA, the Jockey Club and the AQHA, and can tell you I find no benefits greater than a magazine from them.
    Registration does NOT make the HORSE any better and I think that was the original *rant* of the OP.
    Not knocking clubs or registred horses, just don't believe one is better than the other when push comes to shove.
    My EXACT POINT! :]


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    Originally Posted by farmpony84    
    BUT I think what the OP is saying is that there are unregistered horses that can jump several feet, perform beautifully in dressage, and cut a cow just as well as some registered horses...

    CURIOUS QUESTION - Do horses have to be registered to show high-level dressage?
    My Point again!


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    Originally Posted by Indyhorse    
    I think it's entirely dependent on what you want a horse for.

    If you want to breed, you should have a registered horse, and likewise be breeding to a registered stallion. Emphasis on should, obviously not everyone does.

    If you want to show anywhere outside of 4-H, you need a registered horse. (At least for breed circuits, I don't know about dressage etc, good question Farmpony)

    If you just want a horse to tool around on and trail ride, or use for a working scenario - well horses can't read and you can't ride papers
    Not trying to start anything but your last statement is what frustrates me, thinking that an unregistered horse is only good for ploding around in your backyard....

    My horse the mare I own was a rescue and she had very little training till I got her and she doesnt have any papers at all none. I have a binder with the paper of sale, coggins and ect. You have the vet come and look at their teeth he said she was 7 last year, and now she's 8 :] and she's is an amazing in the ring :] she placed better than the horses that have been doing it MUCH longer and been professionally trained as well. When I got her she was only used in games!
         
        04-02-2010, 12:58 AM
      #14
    Green Broke
    As someone who just owns horses because I love riding them out on the trails, I could care less whether or not the horse has papers. Really!

    But if the horse has papers, that's like icing on the cake. It is nice, but not a necessity.

    I have almost found the opposite to be true among some people I have met. They are almost anti-papers, because they think it is somehow snooty or something!!?

    The one thing I find nice with papers, is to know their true age and where they were born. But otherwise, I don't show, so I don't mind either way.

    Hmm. Out of the horses we have had, 3 have been registered (two Arabs and a Foxtrotter) and two have not (a Mustang and a Paint). The horse I paid the most for ironically is the Mustang! But he is wonderfully trained. My Arabs and Foxtrotter were relatively cheap, so I don't know if the papers really add to their value unless they have outstanding show potential to go along with it.

    So I would always put the horse before the papers, and choose a wonderful individual without papers over a mediocre one with papers. Of course I am not a show person or a breeder. If I were, then papers would be more important to me. To me, training and temperment are the most important, and good conformation is a plus. Papers are way down the list and basically a non-factor.

    I will also go as far as to say that purchase price doesn't have much to do with the value of the horse either. You can have a cheap, wonderful horse, or an expensive horse that isn't worth owning!

    It would be easier as a horse buyer if a price could be put on a good horse, then you would know what you had to pay to get one, but alas, we can pay good money for bad, or little money for good!
         
        04-02-2010, 01:09 AM
      #15
    Green Broke
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by JustLeaveIt2Mya    
    My EXACT POINT! :]


    Not trying to start anything but your last statement is what frustrates me, thinking that an unregistered horse is only good for ploding around in your backyard....
    So does plodding around in the backyard make it less of a horse?

    Some famous trainer once said that shows are "just games people play with their horses." That kind of put it in perspective for me. Why should I place the value of my horse or me as a rider on the games other people play? We just play our own games (riding out in the woods and seeing the wildlife) and that's enough for me. I would get so bored if I rode in an arena all the time! I see nothing wrong with "plodding around in your backyard" as you put it.

    We all like to enjoy our horses in different ways and variety's the spice of life.
         
        04-02-2010, 02:09 AM
      #16
    Banned
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    Originally Posted by farmpony84    
    CURIOUS QUESTION - Do horses have to be registered to show high-level dressage?

    No but the WBFSH does keep a record of what registries are producing what in all disciplines.

    The American registries are not even on the horizon, partly due to the head start Europe has on the Americas and partly due to the basic attitude of thinking among America (much like in this thread). Those that are serious are more likely to register with the European Verdban anyways rather than the American version of that registry.

    It is hard to represent your country when so many feel it is irrelevant to even bother to register.

    To me it is a matter of pride that when I do show or present my stud that he represents a North America registry.
         
        04-02-2010, 02:47 AM
      #17
    Green Broke
    My horse is not registered. We're pretty darn sure she could/should have been or even maybe was as there's no way she's anything but Quarter horse. We don't know diddly about her past though, the guy we bought her from didn't know anything at all regarding horses other than he hated riding and wanted her gone as fast as possible.

    Original intentions were to make her a trail horse, she was cheap (due to her grade status and a scar from an injury) but had a fabulous attitude and work ethic so my sister-in-law said she'd be a perfect first horse for me.

    Plans have changed as of Wed. Though, she and I are starting in dressage. I don't imagine we'll get too high, she's already 7 or maybe 8, vet wasn't sure but my sister-in-law said it's going to be a really good experience for both me and my horse and since I absolutely loved riding her dressage horse, I'm excited!

    I don't think many if any people around here are using unregistered QH's with a giant divot in their neck from a t-post (or so we were told) for dressage but we'll see how it goes!
         
        04-02-2010, 06:44 AM
      #18
    Started
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    Originally Posted by Spyder    
    No but the WBFSH does keep a record of what registries are producing what in all disciplines.

    The American registries are not even on the horizon, partly due to the head start Europe has on the Americas and partly due to the basic attitude of thinking among America (much like in this thread). Those that are serious are more likely to register with the European Verdban anyways rather than the American version of that registry.

    It is hard to represent your country when so many feel it is irrelevant to even bother to register.

    To me it is a matter of pride that when I do show or present my stud that he represents a North America registry.
    I agree.
         
        04-02-2010, 06:57 AM
      #19
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    Last year I showed in the open circuit around here on a grade mare. She was right up there with all the registered horses. When I first got into horses, papers and bloodlines didn't make a difference to me. Now, I know alot of the more prominent QH and Paint bloodlines and I want my horses to be registered so I can say, "yeah my horse is registered too," for once. I'm with you on grade horses should get more respect but I have to admit...knowing bloodlines now makes a huge difference for me if I can't decided between two horses.
         
        04-02-2010, 09:06 AM
      #20
    Green Broke
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by trailhorserider    
    So does plodding around in the backyard make it less of a horse?

    Some famous trainer once said that shows are "just games people play with their horses." That kind of put it in perspective for me. Why should I place the value of my horse or me as a rider on the games other people play? We just play our own games (riding out in the woods and seeing the wildlife) and that's enough for me. I would get so bored if I rode in an arena all the time! I see nothing wrong with "plodding around in your backyard" as you put it.

    We all like to enjoy our horses in different ways and variety's the spice of life.
    I guess that's my perspective too, and why I was making the point that it depends on what you want out of your horse.

    I ride trails these days, that's ALL I do. I showed as a teenager, and from my perspective, since I didn't want to make a career out of it, it's something I have "outgrown". To me, trail riding is the pleasure I get out of horses. Riding round and round an arena is reserved for necessary training, exercise, and for winter riding when it's my only option. I don't care for riding around in a circle, it's boring to me. I'd rather be out riding where the scenery and terrain changes. I get that that's not everyone's tastes, and that's fine too. No, grade horses aren't only good for plodding around in the backyard - that's why I had also specified practical working scenarios - they can and do often make some great ranch/working horses. And as far as capabilities go, grade horses are often in no way "lesser horses" than their registered counterparts - but you are limited in where you can get with a grade horse in the show world, through both regulations and social attitude. On top of that, few people put the thought and effort into careful breeding of your average grade horses that they put into some higher level competition horses. So there are a lot of poor quality/poor conformation grade horses - but that goes both ways - there are a lot of poor examples of registered horses as well - because registered does not always mean better.

    So if you are asking about physical capabilites between a good grade horse and an equivalent good registered horse, than no, no difference. But there are differences in how far you can take them based on that slip of paper.
         

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