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    04-02-2010, 12:40 PM
Originally Posted by trailhorserider    
So does plodding around in the backyard make it less of a horse?

Some famous trainer once said that shows are "just games people play with their horses." That kind of put it in perspective for me. Why should I place the value of my horse or me as a rider on the games other people play? We just play our own games (riding out in the woods and seeing the wildlife) and that's enough for me. I would get so bored if I rode in an arena all the time! I see nothing wrong with "plodding around in your backyard" as you put it.

We all like to enjoy our horses in different ways and variety's the spice of life.
no, someone made a point that seemed the were saying unreg. Or grade horses were only good for that, and my horse who has no papers, well she's 8 had someone look at her teeth. She's a fantastic on the show circut and the circut is very competitive! And we place above the reg. Professionally trained, being there done that, kind of horses..but when we aren't showing, or training...we do [quite often] go outside and mess around in the field, cantering around, trotting, going of some hill, and trail rides too of course! It's mostly to relieve us both from the stresses of training and the shows that can be stressful too sometimes.

Indyhorse : that's my point on your second post, I think that grade horses should beable somehow go someplace in life, just because a lack of papers. If they need to know the animals age then get a vet out there that can read teeth and get the age, lol.
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    04-02-2010, 12:59 PM
Reading a horse's teeth will give an average age, not an exact one. So your horse could be 8, 10, or even 12.

The reason I want a registered animal? So I know its breeding which will give me an idea of its temperament, possible genetic anomalies, and the performance area for which it might be best suited. I'll also know the animal's exact age and birthdate.

Plus, if you sell or give away a registered animal whose name doesn't change with each owner, you have a better chance of finding it later on if you're looking for it.

How many threads on how many BBs have I seen people looking for a horse that has no distinguishing characteristics, and they have no clue what the owners after them called the beast? Far too many.

I want to know my animal's breeding, not try to guess at it. I get tired of the, "What breed do you think my horse is?" threads. Honey, if it ain't registered, it's just a mutt.

There's nothing wrong with grade horses, but I like to have an idea of what I'm getting into when I take on a new animal, and without registration papers and a clear idea of what genetics brought the animal into being, it's a crap shoot.

I like to shift the odds in my favor, especially when I'm taking on an animal that I could theoretically have for the next 2 or 3 decades.

It has nothing to do with being 'snobby', and everything to do with making sure I get the most suitable animal I can.
    04-02-2010, 01:04 PM
Actually she's not any older, because her front teeth didnt have the starting of a little curl thing, and they start getting that when they are 8 or 7. Can't remember...
    04-02-2010, 01:08 PM

It's not really a curl but a lip that does on the back of the tooth, you can see it at 10 years old, they start getting that at 8 or 7...

(sorry for double posting)
    04-02-2010, 01:17 PM
I've had horses for 32 years, and have never heard of a 'curl' or 'lip' on their teeth.

Their teeth do change shape as they age, and Galvayne's Groove starts to appear between 9 and 10 years old. If it hasn't appeared yet, your vet's best estimate is that the horse is between 7 to 9 years of age.

Gauging age by a horse's teeth isn't an exact science.

In any case, it's irrelevant to the topic of grade vs registered. Registered horses aren't 'better', but their genetics and birthdate are known factors. If you don't care about such things, then it doesn't matter.
    04-04-2010, 12:57 AM
I would much rather have a registered horse ATM, because I intend to get into the Appaloosa circuit. And I can only do that with a horse that has papers. I also like to know lineage, age, birthday, etc.

That being said, my grade mare is the best horse we have ever had. She's taken me to the top in our local club three years in a row. She's an awesome trail horse. She's an awesome school horse. She's worth her weight in gold to me. But I could never get to the tippy top of my chosen breed with her, for two reasons. One, she's a paint, and two, she's not papered.
    04-04-2010, 10:28 AM
I can tell you first hand, the horses at our barn would not pass without papers. Bloodlines in our field is what counts. These top-of-the-line name-branded colts come around a lot quicker, get soft quicker, and are more prepared quicker than some pup from some anti-register's pasture. You just can't get the equivalent of a good well-bred horse and a good grade horse without going lower-end on either's part. I understand, there are pukes in the registry too, even some bred well as the good ones. But your chances of getting a grade horse that will work as well, as easy, and be as talented as those that work well, easy, and talented of higher calibur, are SUPER slim.

I'm in no way saying that a good grade horse should be shunned, and some are perfect for some people that like them. And yes, you CAN get a good grade horse for less than a registered one, and yes, a good grade horse can be MUCH better than a not-so-good registered one. (even if it is really bred-up and professionally trained)

But I will tell you, IMHO, the natural talent the bred-up colts we've come in contact with just cannot be compared to. These horses are bred to do what they do, and they do it with ease.

My husband has started many a colt. Many, many. Racehorses, ranch horses, riding horses, roping horses, calf-horses, cow horses, and now cutting horses. None of those without proven parents have even amounted to anything remotely similar to those bred to do their job.
    04-04-2010, 11:07 AM
I would never turn down a grade horse, but I'd always choose a registered one of the same value above it.
I think it's cool that I can pick up a Canadian Morgan Horse Association magazine and see my horse's full brother on the cover - which I would never be able to identify if I didn't have his papers.
    04-04-2010, 11:08 AM
At no point in this conversation did I say I was
Westonsma im frustrated with people with your point of view on things, My "Mutt" horse is better than the old reg. Ones and they aren't crappy there really good actually....
    04-04-2010, 11:21 AM
But that's also your opinion. Some people may not think that way. You can't let an opinion bother you, because after all, it's only someone else's opinion. What matters the most is that you have a good opinion of your horse. Who cares what other people think? I know I sure don't. My gelding is papered, but he has do nothing bloodlines and crap conformation. Other people don't like him. Does that make me love him any less? No of course not. On the other hand, my mare has no papers, decent conformation, and as I stated before she's done very well in our local club(which is barrels, and doesn't require papers). Some people love her, some hate her. So what? It's MY horse and I like her.

You can't ride the papers, but you sure can do a heck of a lot more with a horse if you have them. Let's say you want to get into the APHA show world. You can't do that without papers.

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