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post #21 of 58 Old 09-16-2013, 12:53 AM
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Frederiksborg USA - Hot Dam Chex to Cash

Here's their website, you'll need to contact them for more info. They're very nice people and very easy to talk to.

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Thank you! I'm going to wait and see what they say about BCTC then will contact your buds about Hot Dam. He'd be 850 with the chute fee, then shipping and all the mare care for my mare to stay at the vets, so I'm looking at about 2000 +/- to get her in foal. My main concern would be the marketability of the foal if it is a colt after its been gelded with that cross. What do you think?
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The resulting foal from Hot Dam probably wouldn't bring quite as much as one from BCTC simply because HD hasn't proven himself. Even with the exact same bloodlines, a foal from a winning sire is always worth more than a foal from an untrained sire.

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Yeah... I have to look at it from a business sense as well so I don't go in the hole big time for something I may end up not keeping. Would a colt bring the money that went into the breeding as a weanling?
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Depending on your mare's lines, if they are good, then there is no reason why a resulting foal wouldn't bring a very pretty penny...especially if marketed correctly and to the right crowd.

Lines like that, if I were looking to sell a foal, I'd market for the reining, working cow horse, and ranching crowd.

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My idea is to breed either my Presidente Shiner daughter or the Mr. Gunsmoke/Laker Doc filly to him when they are older and I need an outcross. I agree that HD is not going to have the high dollar draw for a foal when it hits the ground but I plan to keep the foal until it's well started under saddle, and hopefully on its way to being something on its own merit. Then the bloodlines will add value.
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Yes, a cull is a cull, no matter what the bloodlines. Why don't you sign up for the production sale? It is a LOT less risk, if you are questioning money AT ALL.

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I'm not really questioning money, Im just wanting to breed my mare to a horse whose babies will be worth at least the breed fee when they are weanling age since I am breeding for my own benefit to get some awesome papered fillies for show prospects/broodmare later in life. I don't like riding geldings as goofy as that is! That sounds like a good plan Dreamcatcher!
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Yes, a cull is a cull, no matter what the bloodlines.
Eh, yes and no. A cull stud with bloodlines like Hot Dam is still going to produce higher priced foals than the cull stud down the road who's only known name on his papers is 6 generations back. If he had never been started due to a conformational fault or possibly genetic health issue that prevented him from being ridden, that's one thing, but if he suffered an injury or something, that's a whole other ball game.

I know a family here that based their entire breeding program on what you might call a "cull" stud. VP (owner) bred, worked, and campaigned several generations of horses until he found just the right bloodlines to cross to get what he was wanting. He crossed those bloodlines and ended up with a perfect bay stud colt that he knew from day 1 was going to be the next breeding stallion. Unfortunately, when the horse was a yearling, he suffered an injury that prevented him from ever being shown (NCHA). That didn't change all the work that went into creating him and that didn't change the potential in his bloodlines.

He still produced multiple NCHA money earners and countless working ranch horses who, once they are trained, are very sought after around here.


ETA: OP, would you mind sharing your mare's bloodlines and some decent pictures of her?

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Let me clear something up about Hot Dam. He is in no way a cull, and last time I saw him was sound as a dollar. Unfortunately for him, he was bought by a dead beat who did nothing with him and lost him due to unpaid bills. When the folks who have him now got him, he was 5 or 6 already and too old for the futurities. So, they decided to stand him for a lesser stud fee and provide excellent bloodlines for a smaller fee, than to spend thousands on a horse who by the time he would have gotten started would already be past the age when he would be "the next sensation". That's what I meant by circumstances out of the horse's control.

His timing just wasn't right for him to be a star. He has never been a cull. He's got the blood, the temper, the looks and the build. When I played with him during the shoot to get good shots, he had the athleticism too.
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