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  • Breeding an unruly stallion

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    09-14-2013, 01:15 AM
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Any horse can be dangerous not just stallions. My neighbor used to have a mare that was far more dangerous than any studs they had. I'm not scared of horses at all but I was terrified of that mare. Both of their stallions were always well mannered, resepctful, and gentle with everyone, including kids.
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    09-14-2013, 03:01 AM
You're right HLL any horse can be, but stallions are more likely to be, in my limited experience. I spent a week at a place that had five breeding studs, I never handled them so don't count them as experience, and two of the three that I knew were more than a little bit unpredictable. These were top warmbloods, though, and one was by Jazz [Jazz lines have a reputation for being nutters, for anyone who doesn't follow warmbloods].

I disagree that a 2yo won't know he's a stud. A friend's colt, 2 1/2 now, has been VERY studdy for at least the past year and a half. He has superb breeding though, and he isn't dangerous about it... he's just a boy and he knows it! But... another warmblood [with a lot of Thoroughbred in him]. Maybe stock breeds are different.
    09-14-2013, 01:10 PM
Blue Eyed Pony I was just thinking the same. I've known some loopy stallions but the old Morgan one (and current one) I worked with was the exact opposite of what most people who work with thoroughbreds and warmblood stallions described. I've not known any stock horse stallions but mine (and some Morgans) are a completely different animal when compared to a thoroughbred. Maybe it's just because one's 'hotter'? And I didn't mean for the ladies!
    09-14-2013, 01:55 PM
Ever since I was little (a long, long, long time ago) I was taught to leave studs alone and never go around them. Then when we were getting our horses this past April we went to check on them in the previous owners field and realized the stud was in the field with them. I quickly got in touch with my cousin (he was taking the stud) and he informed me the stud was "nicer" than the mares. This went against everything I was taught! We (DH and I) went in the field, but always knew where the stud was. He just kept eating.

When we loaded our mares up to take home, my cousin caught the stud first, he just walked up to him and put a halter on him. He was very well behaved. The only time he got out of line was when he got to the barn, he was ready to breed. To him, halter, plus barn means breeding time.

There were many horse breeders around here and they allowed their studs to be unruly. I'm glad to see this next generation is not allowing that and realizes that is not a good quality.
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    09-14-2013, 02:13 PM
Originally Posted by MsLady    
Ever since I was little (a long, long, long time ago) I was taught to leave studs alone and never go around them. .........

There were many horse breeders around here and they allowed their studs to be unruly. I'm glad to see this next generation is not allowing that and realizes that is not a good quality.
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Unfortunately, your life lessons were the norm, and in many cases, unruly stallions still ARE the norm, breed doesn't matter.

That old stallion that picked the woman up by her arm? Would not have lived another 4 years in my pasture, he'd have died there that day.

I expect my stallion to BE a gelding, unless I have his leather halter and long stud chain on him. That's his cue that it's breeding time. Even THEN, he's allowed to nicker and bellow but he better mind his ground manners all the way up to the mare. When it's not breeding time, hollering and screaming the way some stallions do will get him disciplined VERY sharply. He knows very well what, "NO TALKING" means and will drop his head back down quickly when I tell him that. If he ever acts the complete fool, he'll be gelded the next day.

All that said, I'd still not put a 7 year old kid on him, not even if the kid was wrapped in bubble wrap and had the best helmet ever on his head. Not to mention, I wouldn't even think of it when he was just broke.

For all he's well behaved and lives under sterner rules than the rest of the herd, he's still a stallion and you just can't forget that. Or if you do, you can be pretty sure that's the day he'll forget himself and you'll get hurt.
    09-14-2013, 02:30 PM
I hadn't been around my cousin very much, when he was training/handeling horses, but I have to say I was impressed. He didn't allow the stud to get away with anything. And like you, Dreamcatcher, even though this stud was well behaved, he did explain to us he is still a stud and you have to respect that and stay aware.
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    09-14-2013, 02:44 PM
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The short answer? Even though a stallion might be well-behaved enough that a child COULD ride them, their parents should not LET them. It comes down to good parenting. If a stallion decides to blow up, for whatever reason, even if it's never happened before, a child isn't going to have the experience or the strength to stop a potential wreck. And it's the parents' job to know that and be responsible.
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    09-14-2013, 09:57 PM
I don't know about asking them to BE geldings until it's time to breed, but certainly good ground manners are important! The one I used to feed and rug was beautiful, but take him out of his pasture and he was HOT for the ladies [still wonderful manners though - all of 17.2 and could be handled for breeding by a small lady, with nothing more than a rope halter and a dressage whip!]. My then employer told me a story about a breeding once, maiden mare, she was hobbled so as not to risk the stallion getting kicked and just as Bear was getting himself all ready to go, hot and just about time to mount, she somehow got free of the hobbles. So L [lady handler] told him to calm himself, and he immediately stood nicely and waited for the hobbles to be re-set. Then he was ready to go again as soon as he was told he could.

I think MANNERS rather than gelding-ish manner are the word of the day. But then, that's with a hotter type of horse. He's a Thoroughbred.
    09-14-2013, 10:14 PM
The breed shouldn't matter BEP. Manners are manners regardless of the breed.
    09-15-2013, 06:15 AM
Yes ND very much agreed, my hot sensitive little TB filly wouldn't DREAM of misbehaving when I'm around but I have seen her be quite dangerous for other handlers [before I started working with her]. With me she's absolutely as quiet as any QH or draft or other such breed with a reputation for being good to handle. I use her as an example because I haven't got a stallion.

But I do think there are certain breeds that are more likely to be a bit unruly than others. I spoke to a very experienced [40+ years] Welsh breeder, some time ago when I was looking at one of his weanlings, and he said his Ds are lovely and easy to handle, and his Cs are, and I quote, "randy little buggers", because "they have so much A blood". I've heard so many horror stories and without fail the stallion in question has been of a 'hotter' breed. TBs and Arabs mainly, with a few warmbloods in there. And the odd pony, but ponies are evil :P

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