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  • Can a gray and a palomino dun make a champagne

 
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    05-04-2010, 08:46 PM
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Should I test him for champagne? Or not?

He has freckled skin (http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3640/...36a51b119c.jpg), although the skin on his nose and genitals appears gray/black.

His eyes are lighter than most palominos': http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3553/...6f2b02cb_b.jpg

And he's pretty shiny: http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3499/...9b95490a_b.jpg


I seriously doubt he's champagne, but do you think it's worth the $25 (on top of $50 I've spent on my mare : /)? I've seen some gold champagnes that aren't that freckled around the nose and genitals...

http://www.theequinest.com/images/champagne-horse-4.jpg
http://www.modernsporthorses.com/img/marshalltrot.jpg
     
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    05-04-2010, 08:49 PM
  #2
Foal
I don't know a thing about color testing, but he sure is a beautiful horse. :)
     
    05-04-2010, 08:53 PM
  #3
Trained
Do you know his breeding? Are there champagnes in his family?
     
    05-04-2010, 08:56 PM
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Originally Posted by JenC    
I don't know a thing about color testing, but he sure is a beautiful horse. :)
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Originally Posted by wild_spot    
Do you know his breeding? Are there champagnes in his family?

His dam was gray with a palomino base coat, so it's possible she could have been a champagne incorrectly identified as a palomino, and nobody might have noticed it before she grayed out. His sire was bay.

I don't even know if champagne exists in the breed, to be honest.
     
    05-04-2010, 09:04 PM
  #5
Banned
In that third picture he does look to me to be champagney in color, but then in the close up of his eye he looked to be more of a palomino. I would really think that seal points would disqualify him though--they would have to be pink instead of black? That's just IMO though.
     
    05-04-2010, 09:35 PM
  #6
Showing
Just curious why do you need to know it? If you are absolutely curious then just go for it. Otherwise will he be any better/worse then he is now (he's lovely BTW!) if you know he does/doesn't have it?
     
    05-04-2010, 10:41 PM
  #7
Green Broke
I'd say go for it. There are too many crazy colors going on and so many shades and tones and exceptions to every rule to not rule anything out really. Plus he is gorgeous! And it would be very interesting to know. I'm kind of tempted to get my own horses test for colors just out of curiousity.
     
    05-04-2010, 10:57 PM
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I wouldn't, as just the muzzle alone tells me he's not.

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    05-05-2010, 07:36 AM
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Originally Posted by kitten_Val    
Just curious why do you need to know it? If you are absolutely curious then just go for it. Otherwise will he be any better/worse then he is now (he's lovely BTW!) if you know he does/doesn't have it?
Yeah, I'm just curious. I guess I might as well. I doubt he'll test positive, but I think it's worth a try.
     
    05-05-2010, 12:15 PM
  #10
Weanling
Well if he was my guy and I thought there was any possibility that he might be something other than palomino .......I would do the test.......especially if he is registered.

I have a registered appendix.....who the breeder registered as dun........but the AQHA came back and said no way he was a bay.......how they could do that when he had a definite dorsal stripe and 3 bars on each on his shoulder blades that showed up in his pictures and to boot he had a really washed out coat that was neither chestnut or bay.........and everyone that saw him said dun......even posted him on some color sites everyone said the same thing he was with out a doubt a dun.........so I finally mailed off some hair samples to you of Davis...........and his dun zygosity test came back positive.......now I just have to fill out the paper work and send it off to AQHA to prove them wrong.

Super Nova
     

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