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post #11 of 191 Old 09-30-2009, 03:15 PM
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>>>>> What I find curious about this thread is the request for other people not to breed to take up the slack for the Thoroughbred Racing Industry's need for nurse mares. You should be preaching to the TB Racing Industry to lessen the use of nurse mares.

I agree 100% with the above. Also adopting a nurse mare foal is committing to raise (or finish raising) an orphan. This is NOT a realistic task for most people, even dedicated horse owners/lovers. It can take round the clock care, and the foal without a dam is more at risk for neonatal illness and both physical and social maladjustment.

Raising a young horse, even if it is a well adjusted weanling or yearling who spent penty of quality time with its dam and others in their "herd" prior to weaning, is also not for everyone. In fact, most people who are looking for a horse should -- because of experience, accomodations, and desired use -- be looking for an adult, well trained horse.

And I am not saying this because I am anti-breeding-- I have a small, select breeding program, and I have one or two or three weanlings or yearlings available for sale every couple of years. My youngsters have dams chosen in part because of their motherly talents, they are not weaned early, they spend time on pasture with other mares and foals running and playing with their little "herd", they get handled and exposed lots of interesting situations to help them be confident quiet willing horses later on-- but I STILL would not recommend everyone buy one. (and no I do not have any youngsters for sale at present so this is no sales pitch .)

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post #12 of 191 Old 09-30-2009, 03:29 PM
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I'd say rescuing has nothing to do with the good breeding. There are not too many nice bred horses with great confo that end up on meat plants (I'm talking about % here, and yes even the greatest champion can fall in bad hands). There is always a demand for the nice horses, and many people want well bred horses for competitions. So why should someone sacrifice that just to clean up after some dudes who created the not-so-great horse (and sometime just really bad horse) in first place? I think there should be restrictions and some rules on breeding (and at least limit the number of babies as some "facilities" throws tens babies on ground), but it's just IMO.

I own 2 rescues myself. I wouldn't sacrifice them for the $100K jumper/dressage/cutter/name it. But I see nothing wrong with people wanting to get a nice horse either - it's the person choice one has to respect.

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First of all, breeding top-line horses needs to be continued. Breeding horses with excellent dispositions, conformation, etc,is totally fine. I also think it is fine to breed to get a horse you want. **However, I don't agree with ten babies from a down hill horse, but if you want a foal out of the mare you love to death, so be it.

Rescues aren't for everybody. It takes a lot of time and commitment. And, as EastoWest (I think) pointed out, you usually have NO idea of the bloodlines or anything like that.

I volunteered at my local humane society. All of my cats and dogs have been from a shelter, or strays. And they are all fixed. I have had two rescues horses. But, I must say, my appaloosa now, that has been bred for good qualities is the best horse I have ever owned.

Also, I am pro-slaughter. It's a fact of life, if there wasn't slaughter, there would be too many horses and not enough room. It also helps keep the horse industry alive. Think about it, all the horses that are starving to death, slow and painful, if they go to slaughter, quick stunning and death.

So, yes, rescue horses and horses from auctions are all out there, but not everyone has the expirence or the 'want to' to do that. I definitely don't recommend it. It's hard! My last horse I rescued, I had for 3 years! I worked with her, and by the third year, I was finally able to catch her with a halter and lead without her running off! I had no idea of her breed, bloodlines, anything. The poor thing ended up getting kicked and died that same year, but it was a slow, long progress, very frustrating at times. I have never dealt with a nurse mare foal or anything like that, but i imagine it would be the same.
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post #14 of 191 Old 09-30-2009, 03:43 PM
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Someone has to breed well-conformed, high quality horses so we can keep having them. And I think it's inevitable that fuglies will always be around because stupid people will always exist. I do advocate rescuing, however.

There will always be a surplus of Thoroughbreds, too. Same goes for mustangs. Why in the world would you deliberately make more of them when the BLM wants to kill 2000 of them a year? There's nowhere to go with the ones we have now. Can you tell I'm not fond of mustang breeders?

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It's a complicated question. I like how we ''can't'' breed on not approved stallions (or couldn't, now we can and it's legal), on the other hand I think that horses without great bloodlines or that doesn't look typical enough for the breed specific, can still be great quality horses and should be bred from.

But we don't have the problem with tons of unwanted horses, at least not as big. Most of them are swedsh standardbreds that's not fit for racing (which I think is rgw racing industry rather than the general breeders, fault) and horses that's old or injured. It's simply too little pay for breeding unwanted horses.
However.. thee are of course less good and less thought through horses.. and I fear we'll have more of them now.

I dunno, I just wish people would think twice before breeding, both people just wanting a foal but breeders too. "This mare is lame for the rest ofher life, let's breed her''.. and why did she get lame/sick? Do we want those genes to continue? If she couldn't handle the mounted training when she was younger but kept getting overworked, isn't that a sign on low quality? I know you can train right and wrong, but I still don't want to breed a horse that couldn't get through the training.

Even with well planned breeding, there will be less good foals. I think they should be cheaper than the better foals, and us who don't have ambitions to win the olympics can still have more than enough capacity in a not perfect horse.

If only everyone could judge their horses, mares and foals objectivly and fairly, looking at capacity and health.

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You guys are so right breeding has to continue if we want our wonderful horses. BUT we should only breed excellent horses.

Farmpony, we should have choices I agree. And you've done your part, you've rescued many animals, of course that is enough. Your mare (I'm pretty sure about this from talking to you) was bred to a stallion that complimented her and you show the resulting foal.
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post #17 of 191 Old 09-30-2009, 04:18 PM
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And for rescues and stuff..having them killed instead of saced won't stop the breeding.

I do know tho that on iceland they try to sell foals to us in sweden and have us save them.. as far as I know (I'm not sure on this) the foals are bred for slaughter but they've figured they get more money if they sell them. Or else they won't loose anything anyway. It's not a good deal for us, with the shipping the foals end up as more expencive than well bred and high quality foals here, plus you risk their health by the move and don't know if they'll stand the sun or get issues with it here. 50% of the imported horses from iceland get rashes from sun ans insects. (only 3-5% of the home-bred ones does even if the mare has it, I suppose they're used to it drom start.)

I've heard another version, that they just reed and sell us the bad ones that would have been killed otherwisse.

Perhaps it's both..

In that case I'm unsure if our will to help actually does give more unwanted icies life, or not. But generally, helping the excistent neglected horses won't really make any differense.

Then I'm against saving horses from slaughter. Unless it's a horse you happened to fall in love with or anything, but to have it as a system..I rather have the horses killed than moved around dirt cheap to god knows what people. Not all rescued horses gets to nice people, cheap horses generally end up bad again. And to sell them expencive with no paprs, no history and not knowing why they were sent to death or how much they know in training, isn't right either, they can have bad injuries that keeps coming up etc and that's painful for the horse as well. Checking the people taking care of the horses too well also hits a string in me.I mean, I don't want more trouble saving a horse than buying a healthy, sound one, or more watchful eyes judging me, more paperwork etc. Plus if you're gonna save them, isn't it better to give them a home and have space for another horse in need of help?
I'm against bad treatment of animals tho, kill them if they have bad chances of a good life and is unwanted, but don't torture them on the way.. Dead horses desnt suffer. But every single minute before death they might, so make sure they're treated respectfully and calmly.

Blergh, I dunno.

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I guess slaughter is different here too..
You can get your horse killed at home in a calm environment when it's too old to have a painfree life, and most horses going to legal slaughter has pains or issues and simply deserves an end to it, but their owners don't mind them being eaten by others once they're dead. They're well cared for and not transported very far, the owner can come along and the people handeling it is usually calm and keeps the horses calm.

The illegal transports are worse and there is a reason they're illegal..suffering, pain, death and lots of horses that was sold in trust to ''a good home''..

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I agree to an extent:

There's a lot of people in the world who's income depends entirely on breeding and selling horses. They can't just stop breeding when they have a steady income going on.

Also, when you rescue a horse, you have no idea of its breeding, sometimes even its breed, its experience, and if you're looking for a certain horse (e.g, a national hunter-jumper to show) you need to be sure you get a horse that has been bred to whatever discipline you want.
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Most of the time, the horses that end up in rescues and on the auction block are the result of backyard breeders. People think they know what they're doing, but have absolutely no clue and end up not being able to train them
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