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        03-27-2013, 08:26 PM
    It's both. Most successful breeders will breed horses with the traits they want to another horse with traits they want. In cross breeding you'll look to avoid stallions or mares that have undesirable traits even if they have some you want, because you'll always have a 50/50 chance of it being passed on.
    Check out both the stallion and the mare and give the same weight to both.

    That's why developing a "breed" takes so long. There's a fair ammount of culling that goes on in the beginning to remove horses that might have something unwanted out of the gene pool during the developement.
    Of course the problem becomes when what the breeders (new breeds and especially older ones) want is so specific and for a money driven industry that they'll keep breeding for the desired traits and not worry about some others that would normally be less desirable (especially if one was at the expense of the other). TB are a good example of the latter. Todays TB are generally faster, but not as sturdy as the TB of 300 years ago.

    Nothing is certain. My older mare looks a lot like her father, but has more of her mother's personality, height and lead mare attitude. My younger mare took absolutely nothing from her mother and with the exception of her star, strip and snip is virtually a carbon copy of her father in every way.
    It's important to see what you want in both parents.
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        03-27-2013, 10:27 PM
    Originally Posted by its lbs not miles    
    In cross breeding you'll look to avoid stallions or mares that have undesirable traits...
    That depends upon what the undesirable traits are. Particularly in the case of breeding half-Arabs, you don't necessarily want the overly typey Arabs that are overbred for Arab traits. Often, if not most of the time, the best Arabs for crossing have "undesirable traits" as far as Arab folks go, but they really have nothing to do with soundness or good basic conformation. A heavier Arab that has a bit more fast twitch muscle thus is less smooth and refined looking may not meet Arab aesthetic standards, but be a far better horse to use as a cross than the classic type.

    However you are correct - you certainly don't want undesirable traits that affect soundness or the performance ability of the cross you wish to create. The biggest problem I have seen over the years with half-Arabs is sometimes a person knowledgeable in Quarterhorses or Appys will not have knowledge of Arabs, and will choose "any old Arab" to use as a sire or dam. With cross breeding, it is, IMO, even more important to wisely select breeding stock than it is breeding purebreds. I have done both, and to me breeding crosses (successfully) takes much more research and thought...
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        03-28-2013, 02:05 AM
    Joe I have a 15.2 hh arab gelding that is a prue blood. He is half spainish and half polish weighs about 1100 pounds. If I didnt live so far away I would say come out and try him. I would make you a good deal. He was given to me to settle a debt. Lots of spirit and get up and go. I am sending him to the trainers this month.
    I agree with Faceman most foals do inherit more of the dams temperament than the sires.
    If you want a foal to inherit certain qualities then you need to look for an stallion or mare that is line or inbred for those traits. That is the most certain way to pass on the qualities that you desire. Good luck in your search. Shalom
        03-29-2013, 11:39 AM
    Green Broke
    In actuality ,not breeding anything, SO attitude would be judged by the horse I am actually looking at. With decent enduracne stock nearly nonesistent in my area. I am going to end up traveling. So just trying to gain as many tidbits of info as I can,,, I know whay you mean about Arabian type. Pretty much anytime we get shows involved the breeds get screwed up.
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        03-30-2013, 01:10 AM
    Green Broke
    Man, I need to stop posting while drinking Angry Orchard Cider. My spelling is terrible.
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