Smoky black or buckskin for this Guaranteed Gold filly?

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    04-03-2011, 10:08 AM
Smoky black or buckskin for this Guaranteed Gold filly?

A client sent me this picture this morning of their new APHA filly by Guaranteed Gold out of their black tobiano APHA mare

From the charcoal appearance on the filly's legs, I am really leaning towards smoky black and not buckskin at all. The owners say that she has a very defined dorsal stripe and some brown tones to her coat as well, but I also remember that Nightlight had those same brown tones when she was born and she is a smoky black ...

They will send more pictures of her in the coming days and weeks that I can post, but what do you think based on this picture - smoky black as well?
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    04-03-2011, 12:48 PM
Looks like smokey black to me.

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    04-03-2011, 06:31 PM
Looks smoky black to me, gorgeous filly too.
    04-03-2011, 08:23 PM
I would say smoky black as well.
    04-03-2011, 08:27 PM
Looks smoky black to me as well but I wonder since they said she has a dorsal stripe and she is a bit mousy are there any grullas in her background?
    04-04-2011, 08:09 AM
^ foal countershading, very normal.
    04-04-2011, 09:42 AM
^yes, countershading is very normal. Just tossing out another option. I agree the foal looks smoky black but if the mare has one cream allele a grulla is very possible. We have had lots of blacks (too many to count) & grullas (14) over the years, all of the grulla foals were mousy and appeared smoky black w/a dominant dorsal but couldn't see the other markers until they lost their baby fuzz.
    04-04-2011, 10:01 AM
In order for the filly to be a grulla, GG or the mare would have to be a dun. Obviously the mare doesn't and it would be harder to tell on GG because he's a cremello, but I don't think he has any dun foals, does he?

I say smoky black.
    04-04-2011, 10:30 AM
^Parent do not have to be dun to throw a grulla, they just need to carry the markers. I have a black mare that has had 3 grullas, each time she was crossed on a black stud.

Back to the foal, didn't know the stud and now knowing he is cremello, smoky black for sure!
    04-04-2011, 11:22 AM

Yes a sire or dam has to have dun in order to pass dun on. Grulla/grullo is black with dun. If the horse does not have dun it is not a grulla/grullo.

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