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post #11 of 18 Old 04-05-2011, 07:20 AM Thread Starter
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More photos that the client sent to me but REALLY hard figuring anything out from them as it is so bright and sunny, she looks like a golden bay in these ...


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post #12 of 18 Old 04-05-2011, 07:52 AM
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Unless Dun is a recessive trait, then a horse can have the Dun gene but not show it. If it is recessive, the mare (and stallion) have to be Dun to contribute the trait.

If we're talking about a heterozygous female, than the male would also HAVE to be heterozygous for the trait to show. (Unless he has a trait that would be codominant or incompletely dominant). If she's homozygous than it doesn't matter if the male is hetero or homozygous. And that's only if Dun is a dominant trait.

If it's recessive, then one of them would also have to be heterozygous for the trait to show up in his foals.

So I guess it all comes down to whether Dun is recessive or dominant (I don't know much about horse genetics in particular) and if the male and female are heterozygous or homozygous. (I have recently learned that I fail at telling color, so I won't even try an educated guess ).

Again, I fail at color but I've looked at some pictures and that filly looks smoky black to me.

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Cinder dun is dominant. It isn't a gene that "hides" on a horse. If they have it, it is visible.
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Oh ok, that's why I played it safe and did my whole "There's a bunch of possibilities" thing I posted .
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Lol I kind of figured that.
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post #16 of 18 Old 04-05-2011, 07:20 PM
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Also, correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought dun was one of the few genes that Thoroughbreds don't carry?

I'll vote for smokey black! I'm assuming GG carries Agouti if you're thinking buckskin is a possibility? I'm trying to think back to his other foals and I can't remember the colors of the mares, just Pucchi Trap who's bay? and could/would be the result of any buckskin foals if GG didn't have Agouti?

Has he been tested for Agouti/sired any Agouti foals on black mares?

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MM - As far as I know you are correct, there is no dun in TB horses.
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Correct, no dun in TBs, and GG has At based on offspring.
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