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  • Shape of mares before foaling
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    03-19-2013, 12:55 PM
  #21
Foal
She really does look decently put together judging from the pictures you put up. Let's just hope the colts were pretty decent too and hopefully you'll get a nice little foal :)

And well done with getting her healthy, she looks amazing in the last two pictures on the first page!
     
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    03-19-2013, 12:56 PM
  #22
Yearling
Ooo, another foaling thread, yay! Even though it was a mistake that your mare ended up bred, I'm confident you'll be a wonderful home for the baby. =)

I wouldn't allow this mare to be witchy about you touching her, seems like she needs some daily handling where you can rub her all over and get her tolerant of that. If not I'd be worried that once she foals, she'll either be just as witchy with the foal or won't allow you anywheres near it or her, if the foal needs assistance with nursing, etc. I consider the showing aggression with you handling any part of her body a sign that she doesn't quite trust you all the way or thinks she doesn't have to submit to your handling, although others might have a different opinion. Regardless of why she is doing that, she needs to at least build tolerance and learn to stand there quietly whether she wants to or not.

As far as her flipping out with the blanket, I think it had less to do with the blanket and more to do with the foal moving around in there, although the blanket likely aggrivated the situation. My mare had her first foal in 2012 and boy, was it an experience!

She is very sensitive to pressure of any sort and one day, she was going from a standstill to a trot and trotting a small distance away and stopping again. She would cock her head and looked as if she was looking at something behind her(on both sides), running from one of those bot flies as she would reach back and push at times. I of course, tried to come to her rescue and, armed with flyspray, went out to find this erksome bug. Turns out, she was running away from a part of her, lol.

I couldn't see her belly move from farther off, but that baby sure was having a party in there. My mare was very unsure of what was going on, as the foal (to my knowledge) has never moved with such vigor before. I reassured her and she got more quiet, but she never did look remotely comfortable with he would move so strongly again, lol. I only caught such HUGE movement a couple times after that. She would ignore small movement after a while =)

Anyways, what I was trying to get at was that your mare might have been experiencing the same thing, and if she is a maiden, might have panicked a bit about it and reacted in a very different way about it.

I would definitely have a smaller pen set up for them once the foal is born, some mommas don't want to be caught once they foal, lol. Also, with her being defensive with you, watch that she doesn't get aggressive about you being around the foal once its here. Keep us updated! What a story to come to such a wonderful family from a horrible situation and then surprise you guys with a baby!
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    03-19-2013, 03:53 PM
  #23
Yearling
First off I am so glad you rescued her and you obviously care for her and she looks lovely

Secondly THE FEED...
Personally I would stay away from any 'manufactured feed 'scientifically' done or not - they are full of mollasses (and, correspondingly high in potassium) which is why horses like it and is incredibly bad for them in such large quantity.
Also you can't actually regulate the exact amount a mare (or any horse) needs in terms of nutrient as if the horse gets too fat you have to cut it down - too thin, you feed more.
I believe the only way to feed a horse and particularly a brood mare is to use simple feed - Speedy beet, crushed barley, pollard etc and ADD a HIGH quality mineral mix. (I use the ProvideIt Premium NZ Horse Mins) which I found and find brilliant. Also they are designed for OUR conditions - grass and soil type.
Also check your grass for clover. Clover is incredibly bad for mares along with rye. Remove her from either.
If you want to know more about this the website to go to -and it is NZ based is ProvideIt Vitamin Mineral mixes for horses.
It is a brilliant resource for everything you need to know about feedin a horse.
I attribute Zephyr's muscle tone and straight legs etc at birth to the feed and nutrients Merlot got right through pregnancy -it is SO important!

Sorry to rant but the woman (Jenny Paterson) who did this website has spent years researching why people are are having so many problems over the last 15 - 20 years with their horses and found nearly all of it due to diet and the changes in the way we graze the horses etc - she knows more than anyone about what horses need in terms of nutrients and helped me enormously with major problems I was having with all of my horses!
     
    03-19-2013, 04:46 PM
  #24
Yearling
Subbing! Good on you for rescuing her, she's beautiful.
     
    03-19-2013, 09:38 PM
  #25
Yearling
She's gorgeous! I am in the same boat with you dealing with an unplanned pregnancy. I was also mad at first, and I had I known about the shot available I would have terminated as well. However, now I am totally EXCITED about it and anxious to see that foal she's been hoarding in her belly :)

Good luck with your girl and I hope everything goes wonderfully!
     
    03-20-2013, 12:50 AM
  #26
Weanling
Very good looking girl you've got there! Also great job on getting her in the good shape she's in. I wish you and you mare the best in a healthy and happy foaling!
     
    03-20-2013, 05:08 AM
  #27
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Originally Posted by Merlot    
First off I am so glad you rescued her and you obviously care for her and she looks lovely

Secondly THE FEED...
Personally I would stay away from any 'manufactured feed 'scientifically' done or not - they are full of mollasses (and, correspondingly high in potassium) which is why horses like it and is incredibly bad for them in such large quantity.
Also you can't actually regulate the exact amount a mare (or any horse) needs in terms of nutrient as if the horse gets too fat you have to cut it down - too thin, you feed more.
I believe the only way to feed a horse and particularly a brood mare is to use simple feed - Speedy beet, crushed barley, pollard etc and ADD a HIGH quality mineral mix. (I use the ProvideIt Premium NZ Horse Mins) which I found and find brilliant. Also they are designed for OUR conditions - grass and soil type.
Also check your grass for clover. Clover is incredibly bad for mares along with rye. Remove her from either.
If you want to know more about this the website to go to -and it is NZ based is ProvideIt Vitamin Mineral mixes for horses.
It is a brilliant resource for everything you need to know about feedin a horse.
I attribute Zephyr's muscle tone and straight legs etc at birth to the feed and nutrients Merlot got right through pregnancy -it is SO important!

Sorry to rant but the woman (Jenny Paterson) who did this website has spent years researching why people are are having so many problems over the last 15 - 20 years with their horses and found nearly all of it due to diet and the changes in the way we graze the horses etc - she knows more than anyone about what horses need in terms of nutrients and helped me enormously with major problems I was having with all of my horses!
Thank you Merlot :)

I actually was feeding easybeet, crushed barley etc, and both my horses are on Alleviate and GrazeEzy, I won't use anything else, as being on a dairy farm I can't always remove them from cow-type-grass. However, Dad did resow a paddock for the horses and calves in a non-rye grass so that the likelihood of staggers would be lessened etc, I checked for clover too, zilch. I just turned to the mitavite Breeda because of the high calcium etc it has in it, mainly because I don't know exactly who the sire is, and when D was bred, though she could pop tomorrow, or in another 16 weeks, I just don't know.
I am not going by the "feeding regulations" of Breeda, just feeding what I think she needs, and I don't think she needs 3.5kg per day.

They have 24/7 access to meadow hay that was cut and stored ourselves so we know exactly what's in it.
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    03-20-2013, 05:21 AM
  #28
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I have pictures from tonight, I don't really think she has changed much, I could be wrong though, if she stands a funny way she looks ready to burst, if she changes position you wouldn't know she was pregnant.

I have photos of her lady bits, but should I put them up? I was lucky enough to be able to get close enough for a photo tonight, I wasn't going to try my luck cleaning them like they needed as she was a bit funny, not helped by mitchell being an idiot over the fence.

Oh, and what does it look like if the foal is moving around inside there? Or is the movement just in front of the flank just big breaths? I've never seen a foal move inside before

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    03-20-2013, 07:04 AM
  #29
Weanling
She is looking very close tummy wise! Would be able to get a better idea with the marey bit photos.


To be honest, I wouldn't be using anything but a premixed feed which has scientifically measured food values unless I knew exactly how to make a balanced feed from the individual components.

My mare was on ~600grams of Breeda a day with around 450grams of fibre pro and 10mls of AgriSea Animal Health Tonic a day, throughout her pregnancy, except for the last few days before she foaled when she decided she didn't want to eat the fibre pro. She was also on 24/7 turnout on a ryegrass/clover mix pasture.


Merlot, could I please have the scientific article that shows that clover is bad for pregnant mares?
     
    03-20-2013, 03:11 PM
  #30
Weanling
Well done on how your mare is looking so far.

I have a mare who foaled 6 days ago :) (I hadn't foaled before, but she had!) when we least expected it - she was overdue but we'd stopped looking for a foal haha.

Sugerbeet as Merlot said was our saviour - our TB - my mare and yours look very similar - is hard to keep weight on and we've increased her intake of her hard feeds since she foaled so she doesn't drop any weight - the colt's growing at an alarming rate - we can see a difference already - her sugar beets mixed with chop, a garlic supplement and a special multi vitamin supplement. She also has a salt lick in her stable and unlimited haylage.

Our mare didn't wax up or drip milk although she was enormous (like your photo of your mare head on) - see
Foxy's Foaling Thread.......

I found this site invaluable and any questions I had were answered x

Good luck - and we love piccies x
     

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