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    06-06-2010, 07:52 PM
  #11
Green Broke
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Originally Posted by .Delete.    
We think the papers he has are not his. He has no white markings what so ever besides a little on his face and socks. No blue eyes. And it says he is a solid paint. The papers say he is black but the horse is a liver chestnut. We looked up his pedigree online and its completely opposite of his actual papers, he is a gelding but his pedigree online says he is a mare.
It sounds like somebody along the line got their papers mixed up. Either the person that sold the horse, or if the owner has another horse...maybe he himself. It smells really fishy to me! The colors don't really do it for me, just the fact that the horse is a gelding and the papers say mare, says it all.

Some black horses fade to what looks like a liver chestnut...in fact Cinny is starting to do this. As for the wording on the Papers, does it say "solid paint" on the upper right, or just in the pattern description? Cinny's says it in his patter description.
     
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    06-06-2010, 07:59 PM
  #12
Green Broke
It says solid paint in the upper right hand cornerr. The actual papers that they have say he is a gelding but look here oh allbreedpedigree.com and type in Two Times Blue. It says he is a mare and the bloodlines are completely different then the actual papers.
     
    06-06-2010, 08:04 PM
  #13
Green Broke
Oooohhhhh well, the pedigree sites online can sometimes be off. They are not done by any of the registries themselves it's a completely different entity. Also check for weird quirks in names. My horse was meant to be registered as Smokies Cinch Bet but it was actually recorded as smokiescinchbet all one word and they want 100 dollars to fix it...NOT. If you type it in with the spaces you don't really come up with him either. But I don't trust those online pedigree things as far as I can throw Cinny! Also they don't account for different registries having horses the same exact name...so if you are only typing in the name how do you know you are looking at the Paint with that name or the QH or the TB?
     
    06-06-2010, 08:08 PM
  #14
Green Broke
They are going to do a DNA test just incase, the gal they got him from is pretty shady
     
    06-06-2010, 08:19 PM
  #15
Green Broke
Just for giggles I looked up Cinny, they actually don't have him under his recorded name as it appears on his papers, they have him with the spaces. Also, they have his dam recorded as a paint and she is DEFINITELY NOT a paint she's a QH, I've seen her papers because the person I got Cinny from still owns her. She's registered AQHA and has NO color at all AND, Cinny's grand sire is listed on their with his name MISPELLED and as a paint. If you look him up with the correct spelling, he is in there again as AQHA. I've seen pictures of him, again no spots.

Don't TRUST THAT THING, LOL.
     
    06-06-2010, 08:40 PM
  #16
Showing
Yeah, you can never be sure about allbreedpedigree cause any person can get a login name and change a horse's information. Also, whether or not he is registered as a breeding stock I think would depend on the height of his socks. If they are very tall stockings, then I don't think he would have to be registered as a breeding stock cause he still exhibited the markings of a ?tobiano?.

Cinny, I have an account with allbreed. If you would like, I can go in and change Cinny's info for you.
     
    06-06-2010, 08:48 PM
  #17
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A. A horse meeting bloodline requirements outlined in Rule RG-015. Must
Have a definite “natural Paint marking”.
B. For the purpose of this rule, the term “natural Paint marking” shall mean
A predominant hair coat color with at least one contrasting area of solid
White hair of the required size with some underlying unpigmented skin
Present on the horse at the time of its birth. This solid white area must
Be in the prescribed zone depicted in the illustration below. In the event
The horse has a predominantly white hair coat, the term “natural Paint
Marking” shall mean at least one contrasting area of the required size of
Colored hair with some underlying pigmented skin present on the horse
At the time of its birth. This colored area must be in the prescribed zone
Depicted in the illustration below.
C. The “natural Paint marking” as described in B above must extend more
Than two-inches (2”) and be in the prescribed zone depicted in the illustration
Below.
D. The “natural Paint markings” on a horse with both parents registered as
Described in Rule RG-015. May be anywhere on the horse’s body or legs
Behind a line:
  1. (Reference point 1) from the base of the ear forward horizontally to
    The base of the other ear; or
  2. From the base of the ear to the outside corner of the eye, continuing to
    The corner of the mouth; or
  3. From the corner of the mouth, under the chin, to the other corner
    Of the mouth; or
  4. (Reference point 2) A level line around the leg at the center of the knee.
    (The center of the knee is determined by using the bony protrusions on the back of the knee as the starting point and drawing a level line horizontally around the knee).
  5. (Reference point 3) A level line around the leg at the point of the hock.
    (This hock line is determined, starting at the point of the hock and drawing a line horizontally around the hock).
  6. The “natural Paint marking” need not be visible from a standing
    Position.
  7. Non-qualifying areas include but are not limited to the following
    Locations:
    a. Eyeballs;
    b. Lips of vulva;
    c. Shaft of penis;
    d. Inner sheath not visible without physical manipulation of the area.
When you register your solid Paint-Bred (formerly referred to as Breeding Stock) horse

According to the APHA rulebook, for inclusion in the Regular Registry a horse must have a body spot exceeding two inches in diameter,not including normal leg markings, etc.

Hope this helps
     
    06-06-2010, 08:48 PM
  #18
Green Broke
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Originally Posted by smrobs    
Yeah, you can never be sure about allbreedpedigree cause any person can get a login name and change a horse's information. Also, whether or not he is registered as a breeding stock I think would depend on the height of his socks. If they are very tall stockings, then I don't think he would have to be registered as a breeding stock cause he still exhibited the markings of a ?tobiano?.

Cinny, I have an account with allbreed. If you would like, I can go in and change Cinny's info for you.
Actually LAUGH LAUGH, it let me do it without a log in, the only thing I couldn't change was the name to appear as it is on his papers. It DID let me change his dam to the correct one and add in his picture and all sorts of other fun stuff....

So I guess ANYONE can change the info without a log in too lol
     
    06-06-2010, 08:58 PM
  #19
Showing
Oh, wow LOL. Yeah, the only reason that I got an accout with them was so that I could add all the horse that I have copies of their papers (and that's a lot). Plus, if you have an account, it will show you the pedigree quite a few more generations back without having to click on each individual ancestor. I don't know if I would be able to change his name or not. If you would like, I can go try. It is all one word in small letters, correct?

EDIT: Okay, never mind. It won't let me do it either. :(
     
    06-06-2010, 10:11 PM
  #20
Green Broke
Thank you wyominggrandma that helps alot
     

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