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post #21 of 37 Old 06-06-2010, 11:04 PM
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A paint horse born out of one or two paint parents, can be registered with the APHA even without 'paint' markings...as long as he is 'paint' in bloodline, he can still be registered paint...just would be considered breeding stock, or 'solid'.

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post #22 of 37 Old 06-06-2010, 11:57 PM Thread Starter
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Well I didn't know if it was like dogs, if the markings aren't what the accociation says they should be they aren't allowed to be registered. Like I have an almost all white perfectly healthy pure austrailian shepherd yet akc won't allow it. From my understanding of what wyominggrandpa posted they must have a white marking somewhere on their body other then the face an below the knee that is 2 inches or more to be considered a "solid" paint.
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post #23 of 37 Old 06-07-2010, 12:11 AM
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What wyominggrandma posted is from the rule book regarding the NORMAL registry... for Solid Paint you don't have to have the normal markings...like Cinny, just at least one Paint parent and the other AQHA or Jockey club registered...otherwise Cin wouldn't be registered with APHA. His only claim to Painthood is his Sire was a paint. He has no white that isn't' in the normal areas (socks, stars, etc).
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Yes you can have solid paints. And if your dog's parents are AKC, then he can be registered even if he came out purple w/ blue spots, as long as both parents are AKC, BUT he can't be shown in conformation shows.

I have a solid white great dane, she can't be shown, because it's a fault in the standard, but she can be registered.
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post #25 of 37 Old 06-07-2010, 02:28 AM
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To put it simply, a breeding stock Paint is a registered Paint horse without any pinto markings, which is entirely possible. Paint as a breed does not automatically mean a pinto horse. There is no such thing as not being able to register a purebred animal based on color. In Arabians, the sabino gene is a relatively new thing, or at least a relatively new widespread thing and the sabino Arabians cannot be shown in halter - it's considered a deviation from breed standard and not desirable. That doesn't mean they can't be registered.

IF your Paint has a spot on his belly, he should technically be allowed to be registered as a normal Paint as it's blatantly obvious he's carrying a pinto gene then. However, the registry rules change quite often and the people deciding the rules are always light years behind the latest discoveries in color genetics.

I have a friend who has a registered Breeding Stock Paint gelding, and he's obviously sabino - his back legs are splashy almost to his hocks, and he has a big white blaze. But according to registry rules, he doesn't have enough white!

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post #26 of 37 Old 06-07-2010, 06:16 AM
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Others have touched on it, but to reinforce...

- A Solid Paint (previously known as Breeding Stock) is still a Paint, just listed differently with the APHA.
- A Solid Paint does not have to be 'solid'. It just doesn't have enough contrasting color (white or dark) in the area defined by the APHA rules to be listed on their 'normal' registry even though the pattern may be obvious. The rules do change...as a matter of fact the reference lines were recently changed. They are fairly arbitrary in my opinion.
- From a breeding perspective, they still carry 'pinto' genes. Our youngest mare, Cinnamon, has enough body white to be registered on the normal registery, but has three full sisters that are completely solid except for a little white at the hoof and the blaze (and are listed as Solid Paints).

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>>>>> There is no such thing as not being able to register a purebred animal based on color.

Thats not always true. It depends on the rules of the particular registry. For example, Friesians are black, and no white markings beyond a small star are allowed. If the color is wrong, the Dutch (original) Friesian registry will not register the horse-- the US registry will register the horse if it is parentage verified, but no offspring from the wrong-color Friesian are registry-eligible (to keep the wrong color from being passed along.). Cleveland Bays must be bay, and up until 2005 could not have any white beyond a small star. From 2005 the registry relaxed their stance on allowable white markings due to the critical rarity of their breed.

Also the Paint and Pinto registry will not register any horse with appaloosa markings, even if both parents are registered in their respective registries. There are more-- this is just a few examples-- again, it depends on the registry.

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Yes a normal registry meaning both parents a paint, which his are
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My mare Sonya is a solid paint however she has the 3 high white stockings and a white face but when you look under her belly she has that dollar size paint splash on her belly which is what makes her a paint . Her father is the exact same , she looks just like him ! Have you looked under his belly for a splash of "paint "haha

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Yes we looked him over completely no white
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