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  • Solid paint foal with belly white?

 
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    06-07-2010, 10:54 AM
  #31
Weanling
Hmm odd !

P.s The horse in your avatar picture is just stunning . I have a soft spot for greys
     
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    06-07-2010, 12:01 PM
  #32
Green Broke
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Originally Posted by AfterParty    
My mare Sonya is a solid paint however she has the 3 high white stockings and a white face but when you look under her belly she has that dollar size paint splash on her belly which is what makes her a paint . Her father is the exact same , she looks just like him ! Have you looked under his belly for a splash of "paint "haha
She's not a solid Paint then. She may be registered as one, but it's technically incorrect as she is obviously pinto. Pinto doesn't have to display in loud splashy markings to exist. This is a picture of a horse that has sabino - I bet money he has NO white anywhere on his body except what you see. This is typical of sabino, and he is still a pinto and would sire pinto foals:



     
    06-07-2010, 12:13 PM
  #33
Green Broke
My mare is a registered Paint and the only white she has is her one back foot and her bald face From what I was told, the bald face is what allows her to be registered as a Paint...her sire was an overo but her dam was registered as a QH.
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    06-07-2010, 12:19 PM
  #34
Green Broke
The white face definitely screams pinto - the minute you get rather "splashy" face or leg markings, you can be fairly certain that a pinto gene is playing about. Big splashy faces like your mare, and high splashy leg white are a dead giveaway for sabino or splashed white. Sometimes it's very minimal and can easily pass for solid without genetic testing.
     
    06-07-2010, 12:21 PM
  #35
Green Broke
I need to go look at her papers now, I can't remember whether they registered her as a solid Paint or not!
     
    06-07-2010, 01:48 PM
  #36
Green Broke
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Originally Posted by AfterParty    
hmm odd !

P.s The horse in your avatar picture is just stunning . I have a soft spot for greys
Thank you! Sadly I sold him

The owners are going to call the association and clarify that they are his actual papers.
     
    06-07-2010, 02:13 PM
  #37
Weanling
>>>> She's not a solid Paint then. She may be registered as one, but it's technically incorrect as she is obviously pinto. Pinto doesn't have to display in loud splashy markings to exist. This is a picture of a horse that has sabino - I bet money he has NO white anywhere on his body except what you see. This is typical of sabino, and he is still a pinto and would sire pinto foals

"Solid" is the phenotype according to either the Paint or Pinto registry-- the "Solid" classification doesn't mean genetically the horse is lacking a gene or genes which, in higher expressions, would express "pinto" markings, or when bred, could produce "pinto" markings in the offspring. It just means that the visually discernable markings the horse has do not meet the registry requirements for registration as a "regular" (ie colored) Paint or Pinto (depending on which registry you are talking about-- to be registered Paint the horse also has to have parentage registered with APHA, AQHA or Jockey Club, with recent rules requiring at least one parent be registered APHA.)

So IMO Sabino CAN be expressed highly enough to make a pinto, but it isn't always-- in otherwords having sabino means the horse has sabino-- not that he IS a pinto-- because being pinto generally means to most people (and to the respective registries) that the horse has visible white markings on their body somewhere, or at least more extensive white markings on their legs and/or face.
     

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