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        11-23-2009, 02:43 AM
      #1
    Weanling
    Something weird is going on.

    Ok...I was Googling my mare and came across a thread on an Arabian breeding website. I can give the link if interested. Anyway...the thread was discussing Lilly, how she was for sale, her background blah blah blah. Then a woman posts detailing how she had leased Lilly for a short while from "G", her previous owner...Lilly had been hauled down to her ranch last May while in heat, bred to their stallion, "took easily"...but then "G" changed her mind, apparently broke some sort of informal contract, and took Lilly back.

    According to the timeframe given here, Lilly was bred about 6 months ago. The owner of the stallion mentions that she supposes the foal will come back to them but has expressed doubts due to G's flipflopping all over the place.

    Ok. I have become very confused and slightly alarmed.

    When it is said that a horse "takes easily" after breeding, does that mean they are confirmed pregnant?

    Was she sold to us, preggers, without our knowledge???

    I have made my mum aware and as is her habit, she wants to sleep on it before deciding what to do. I am a bit more quick twitch...I want to email "K" from that forum, the owner of the stud who supposedly bred my horse 6 months ago, and find out FOR SURE whether or not Lilly was taken back from them pregnant, this year. I want to get a vet out to palpate her (this is not included in a PPE I suppose...could he even tell if not specifically told to look for it??) or ultrasound...

    I had asked "G" if Lilly had ever been bred, and she said yes...one filly a few years ago. That was fine. But according to this thread, she was bred LAST MAY and could very well be PREGNANT right this instant. As in...sold to us in foal without our knowledge.

    I hope I am just freaking out over nothing but it's still...yeah.

    A quote from the stallion owner on that forum:

    "This is a really nice mare. Her registered name is CP Lilly Fair. She is sired by a Rastano son L. Habac and out of an L Bravo daughter L Lady Fair. We began a lease on this mare and bred her to Dias back in May but _____ chose to take her back in July. If doing business with her I would do a cash purchase and not depend on a contract with her. Also the breeding is not paid for so the foal is supposedly coming back to us. Don't know if she will honor a verbal contract any better than she honored a written one though so who knows. One of our biggest disappointments in this horse business. We really liked _____ and Lilly! Always learning lessons in this world I guess."



    It is very hard for me to not just email Dias' owner or do any other number of things right now. I have to let my mother think this through and wait til morning...but I thought I would start this thread if nothing else, because...ah...
         
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        11-23-2009, 02:49 AM
      #2
    Yearling
    Someone would be getting a phone call from a PO'd owner...
         
        11-23-2009, 02:49 AM
      #3
    Trained
    You don't have to give the foal back but you would have to pay the breed fee to get the papers to register it. If it is a place that breeds many mares they can ultrasound at 60 days to find out if she's pregnant so she probalby is.
         
        11-23-2009, 02:56 AM
      #4
    Green Broke
    Based on the information you've given, if true, then yes the mare is pregnant. "Took easily" would essentially mean she took on the first try without any problems whatsoever. I would take that to mean they actually had the mare checked in order to make a statement like that. Unless they're complete buffoons and don't know what "took" typically means in equine breeding jargon. Possibly they meant she took the stallion easily, as in, was receptive to him? If someone told me a mare had "took" or "taken", I would automatically register that as meaning she literally took the sperm, used it and was confirmed as settled.

    I, personally, would be e-mailing this person on the double. However, be careful. If the foal was never paid for, you could have some heat on your back. Not that they could technically do anything from a legal standpoint, but I was in a similair situation where I had a mare bred, she apparantly didn't take, so I rehomed her because she had a blown leg. She birthed a year later. I wasn't in a position to take the foal, so the woman who's stallion I had used was actually demanding payment from the poor woman who'd taken my mare in. It was a really touchy situation, with reputations on the line, and a point being made from both standpoints.
         
        11-23-2009, 02:58 AM
      #5
    Yearling
    If they give you trouble about the foal just tell them it ran away... LOL jk jk
         
        11-23-2009, 03:04 AM
      #6
    Weanling
    If Lilly IS pregnant, the people who bred her would definitely be getting the foal. Ideally. They sound like they know what they're doing...been breeding straight Egyptians and Spanish arabs for years.

    My biggest concerns...her safety of course. Plus we do not have the proper facilities for foaling. She is kept in a large paddock with a three-sided shelter...no access to a barn or inside stall. We would probably have to talk to the stallion's owners and arrange (hopefully) for her to be transported down to their farm, where they have the experience and a proper place to put her. IF possible. I gather she would have to stay with them until weaning? I would not be happy about this but if it has to be done, it will be done.

    And of course a multitude of other things. What about the rhino vaccine? Isn't that supposed to be at 5 months??

    We are not prepared for this...I will be so fraking p*ssed if Lilly is pregnant.

    And yes, I would love to email this person right away, but I have to respect my mother's decision to think it through first...
         
        11-23-2009, 03:29 AM
      #7
    Started
    You say she could be six months pregnant? If so then calm down. You have a few more months to plan, get her checked, get things sorted out among the right parties, and start fretting.

    A large paddock, free of debris, and safely fenced, with nice clean grass is an ideal place to foal, in case you were worried. We prefer our mares to foal outside where they choose(sucks though treking through 15 acres in the middle of the night through thistles with a malfunctioning flashlight trying to find a dark colored mare overdue to foal). There are only a few circumstances where we have them foal in the barn. I am just saying, a foaling stall is not necessary, so long as the mare feels safe, and you have easy access to both mare and foal at any time.
         
        11-23-2009, 03:36 AM
      #8
    Trained
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Cheshire    
    My biggest concerns...her safety of course. Plus we do not have the proper facilities for foaling. She is kept in a large paddock with a three-sided shelter...no access to a barn or inside stall.
    ...
    My mares foal outside with no access to man made shelter and often times don't choose to be in naturally sheltered areas. Your facility sounds perfectly adequate. 99% of horses can foal with no problems and need no help from a human. Call your vet and get the proper vaccinations and leave her where she is untill she foals and wean the foal at 3 or 4 months and be done. Contrary to the tone of many threads here about horses foaling, the mare does all the work and rarely has any problems. There are mares that have complications but they are few and far between. If you want to give the foal back to the breeder then I'm sure they will appreciate that but I don't believe it is your obligation.
         
        11-23-2009, 03:40 AM
      #9
    Weanling
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by LadyDreamer    
    You say she could be six months pregnant? If so then calm down. You have a few more months to plan, get her checked, get things sorted out among the right parties, and start fretting.

    A large paddock, free of debris, and safely fenced, with nice clean grass is an ideal place to foal, in case you were worried. We prefer our mares to foal outside where they choose(sucks though treking through 15 acres in the middle of the night through thistles with a malfunctioning flashlight trying to find a dark colored mare overdue to foal). There are only a few circumstances where we have them foal in the barn. I am just saying, a foaling stall is not necessary, so long as the mare feels safe, and you have easy access to both mare and foal at any time.
    I know...yoga breath in, yoga breath out. I am horribly neurotic when it comes to animals newly in my care...and the last thing my foaling-inexperienced little self wants to hear right now is that there is chance a smaller copy of my girl will be wandering around in about 5 months time.

    The paddock is dirt, no grass. She has clean straw to bed on in her shelter though.

    Is it just me or is it a tad irresponsible to sell a preggie mare to new horse owners without telling them? Lol

    Thank you for the responses everyone.
         
        11-23-2009, 03:43 AM
      #10
    Weanling
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by kevinshorses    
    My mares foal outside with no access to man made shelter and often times don't choose to be in naturally sheltered areas. Your facility sounds perfectly adequate. 99% of horses can foal with no problems and need no help from a human. Call your vet and get the proper vaccinations and leave her where she is untill she foals and wean the foal at 3 or 4 months and be done. Contrary to the tone of many threads here about horses foaling, the mare does all the work and rarely has any problems. There are mares that have complications but they are few and far between. If you want to give the foal back to the breeder then I'm sure they will appreciate that but I don't believe it is your obligation.
    Thank you. They do foal out on the range quite regularly, don't they. At the moment...we do not have the time nor resources to train and care for a young horse, so if these people want their stallion's baby, then they're going to get it asap.
         

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