Lol...I guess everyone calls their draft/hot blood mixes different things...I was told she isn't a warmblood....but in my understanding that would be a mix of a hot breed (like a tb) and a cold blood breed (like a lipizzan
I don't think it's the case that any mix of hot/cold blood automatically equates to a warmblood. Most warmbloods, to my understanding, have had years (and generations) of thought put into very specific breeding for type. You can't just cross a couple breeds and have the same results. My horses are just draft crosses - ie mutts - and I love them anyways. Your horse doesn't care what she's called :lol:
Yes, that is what I have heard as well. They are very specific in breeding when it comes to Warmbloods. Lots of people think that if they throw "hot and cold" together they will automatically get a Warmblood. However, I donut believe this to be the case.
Technically, to the truest definition of the word, a coldblood and a hotbloodhorse bred together gives a warmblood. So by definition, a warmblood can never be considered a purebred, despite the fact that people will always say "oh, he's a purebred Holsteiner/DutchWarmblood/Trakehner" The only true purebred horse is likely the Arabian.
However, warmbloods have evolved into very distinct and seperate breed from the old coldblood/hotblood cross, especially in Europe, as breeding is MUCH more controlled there than it is in the States/Canada. So you could say that a true warmblood - how the world thinks of warmbloods - is a horse that has a pedigree that can be traced back at least 4-5 generations that is composed of sport horse bloodlines.
Your horse would be called a draft cross or A lippizaner cross
Actually, she could not be referred to as an Iberian Horse/Warmblood. It's an accepted fact that the Lippizan descended from the Andalusian, but that alone does not make it an Iberian as it was not developed on the Iberian peninsula. It was developed in Austria, with Iberian horses imported from Spain.
You could get away with calling her an American Warmblood or a Lippizaner Sporthorse. I've noticed this trend in people tacking "sporthorse" to the end of every breed name if half the blood is Thoroughbred or Warmblood. Canadian Warmbloods are pretty much famous for being PMU babies of uncertain ancestory.
You could get away with calling her an American Warmblood or a Lippizaner Sporthorse. ..................... Canadian Warmbloods are pretty much famous for being PMU babies of uncertain ancestory.
IF and only IF the horse is registered and APPROVED AWS or AWR can it be called an American Warmblood.
Canadian warmbloods are simular in that you can have what is truly considered warmblood but in the auxilliary division you can have anything including gaited horses. Draft crosses are discouraged but do exist.
The OPers horse is a TB cross or a Lipp cross. Get it registered something and only then can it be called anything different.
so...if her father was a registered lipizzan and her mother wasn't a registered tb it doesn't make a difference...i have 5 generation bloodlines on one side i was just wondering because people ask me what she is and i have to say lipizzaner thoroughbred cross...which is a mouth full and i would rather say warmblood...lol.
i was just wondering because people ask me what she is and i have to say lipizzaner thoroughbred cross...which is a mouth full and i would rather say warmblood...lol.
And it is because of things like this that people ARE confused to what a warmblood is.
So many improper definitions that we have Joe Blow calling their hackney/TB/shetland/morgan/arab a warmblood because it is convenient and easier to say than the real truth or they rather try to pull the wool over those that don't know better to get a bigger price.
No - you cannot say Warmblood, you are misleading people and you are insulting those who spend years and time into their breeding programs to produce true Warmbloods.
I have friends who breed WB's - one breeds Zangersheide's *sp* and he takes his stock to Inspections to keep his lines approved and clean. He spends alot of money on his breeding program to ensure that his horses are improved apon year by year.
I have another who breeds Han's - and the same story.
Another who breeds Dutch WB's - and the same story.
It would be an insult to my friends, who spend years, money, time and sweat and blood into their breeding programs to ensure that their lines are what they need to be - they have the right to call their horses Warmbloods.
And - Lippizanner Stallions are not Warmblood's. They are a lineage of their own.
To be honest and forthwrite, you deserve to call your horse what it is - a Lip/TB. Or a TB X Lip.
No - you cannot say Warmblood, you are misleading people and you are insulting those who spend years and time into their breeding programs to produce true Warmbloods.
I have friends who breed WB's - one breeds Zangersheide's *sp* and he takes his stock to Inspections to keep his lines approved and clean. He spends alot of money on his breeding program to ensure that his horses are improved apon year by year.
I have another who breeds Han's - and the same story.
Another who breeds Dutch WB's - and the same story.
It would be an insult to my friends, who spend years, money, time and sweat and blood into their breeding programs to ensure that their lines are what they need to be - they have the right to call their horses Warmbloods.
And - Lippizanner Stallions are not Warmblood's. They are a lineage of their own.
To be honest and forthwrite, you deserve to call your horse what it is - a Lip/TB. Or a TB X Lip.
i know that i was just talking about access to pedigrees. I never claimed that he was a warmblood..lol. I wasn't trying to insult anyone by calling my lowly non-warmblood horse a warmblood. sorry. i was just asking because i was told she was a warmblood. anyways. okay.
Piaffe - just enjoy your horse. "Obviously you're lowly horse isn't the quality of a warmblood". It is so sad that you would call your wonderful cross lowly. Your horse would probably kick a WB's butt any day. I bet your kid is amazing
Proud owner of TB's, Dutch warmbloods, a Welsh pony and a mutt
Piaffe - just enjoy your horse. "Obviously you're lowly horse isn't the quality of a warmblood". It is so sad that you would call your wonderful cross lowly. Your horse would probably kick a WB's butt any day. I bet your kid is amazing
Proud owner of TB's, Dutch warmbloods, a Welsh pony and a mutt
i wasn't actually calling her lowly. i was trying to make a point because the other poster said i would be insulting people who spend tons of time and money on their horses..humph. Just because i didn't spend over $20,000 dollars on her doesn't make her unworthy:shock:
Now she is eligible to be registered sporthorse,too so would she be called a sport horse? i won't call her one..just wondering if she can be registered a sport horse,but not really a sport horse:wink:
I know my girl is actually nice quality and her lipizzan pedigree is very good.
i thought my question was simple...would she be considered a warmblood or not. i wasn't trying to step on anyone's toes or offend or insult anyone by wondering if that is what she was considered.
I could spend $20,000 on an Appendix, and that still wouldn't make him a Warmblood. There are many out there who pay $20,000 on a horse, and if that horse is not inspected by strict breeding regulations for that breed, and comes from inspected and approved registered parents - it still wont be a Warmblood.
And yes, it is an insult to people who pour sweat and blood into their breeding programs, to ensure that their stock remains clean and pure with that lineage that they are producing. If people spend thousands of dollars on having their registered mares and registered stallions inspected on a yearly basis, and their babies inspected and approved to carry on that lineage - to have someone call their "mutt" a warmblood.
Again, who cares if your horse is a cross - so what? Big whooptie doo. But we choose to call your horses breed, for what it really is.
No one said your horse was lowly, but you chose to take it that way.
What is the big deal if your horse isnt a Warmblood? My horse isn't a Warmblood - so? Does that minimize his capeabillities in the show ring? No. So what is the big deal? Does it minimize the amount of love you have for your horse? Shouldn't.
Essentially, everything that is a TB cross is called a "sport horse" these days. I believe that the term is only "true" if the animal is actually registered with a sport horse registry, but virtually every single half Thoroughbred can be registered with one assuming certain conditions are met and they pass inspection.
Technically, Shay-la owns a "Canadian Sporthorse". But she is NOT a Canadian Sporthorse until she is registered. It's not a breed title, it's a status title. Referring to a horse as an American or Canadian Warmblood or Sporthorse without them being registered detracts from the ENTIRE point of the registries in the first place.
An American/Canadian Warmblood/Sporthorse is NOT a breed. It's a designation that essentially says "yes I own a mutt, but my mutt has been approved as being just as athletic and breed worthy as a purebred". Most individuals would never say the own a "Canadian Sporthorse". They would say they own a "Canadian Sporthorse Approved Percheron X Thoroughbred". In my experience, the only people who say they own an "American Warmblood" are usually the people who DON'T have a registered animal because they're trying to use it as a cover up because they think it's embarrassing to own a mutt. People who own approved animals are proud that the cross came out solid and ideal and want to promote the cross and what it produces.
The true definition is actually ANY horse used for sport is a sporthorse no matter what the breeding.
Technically, Shay-la owns a "Canadian Sporthorse". But she is NOT a Canadian Sporthorse until she is registered. It's not a breed title, it's a status title. Referring to a horse as an American or Canadian Warmblood or Sporthorse without them being registered detracts from the ENTIRE point of the registries in the first place.
It is one of the reasons the AWS and AWR has a reputation that has to be constantly defended. Too many people are running around calling their heinz 57 UNREGISTERED and UNAPPROVED horse as American Warmblood.
Just totally incorrect.
An American/Canadian Warmblood/Sporthorse is NOT a breed. It's a designation that essentially says "yes I own a mutt, but my mutt has been approved as being just as athletic and breed worthy as a purebred". Most individuals would never say the own a "Canadian Sporthorse". They would say they own a "Canadian Sporthorse Approved Percheron X Thoroughbred".
What you mentioned is not or should not be a designation but a horse that has passed the requirements of that registry and NO one should ever feel they they have a "mutt" after approval. It is VERY expensive to get your horse into the higher levels of the Canadian Warmblood registry.
In my experience, the only people who say they own an "American Warmblood" are usually the people who DON'T have a registered animal because they're trying to use it as a cover up because they think it's embarrassing to own a mutt. People who own approved animals are proud that the cross came out solid and ideal and want to promote the cross and what it produces.
Well I OWN an American Warmblood fully registered and approved stallion with 2 stars designation. The CSHA didn't like his girth measurement so I went with a better registry in my opinion. He had to achieve a HIGHER approval percentage to get approved than the CSHA were asking for and he was approved by a very influential renown breeder of Hannovarians in the US. He is also backed by exceptional breeding ON BOTH sides of his pedigree.
As a note - the entire reason is that "pure Warmbloods" are also registered with the sport horse and warmblood registries. So saying you own an "American Warmblood" means your horse is the same breed as the purebred Hanoverian down the street. He's no more American Warmblood then your horse is - he just passed inspection, as did your horse.
Well, a Warmblood comes from YEARS of specific breeding, through strict regulations and strict inspections from that specific breeds organization.
In my experience, the only people who say they own an "American Warmblood" are usually the people who DON'T have a registered animal because they're trying to use it as a cover up because they think it's embarrassing to own a mutt.
It is the same with RID's and RIDSH's - many who own an Irish Sport horse say just that, but those who are involved with the breeds organization and own a horse that is actually Registered and approved and inspected - call them RID's or RIDSH's.
like i said I DON'T CARE IF SHE IS A WARMBLOOD OR NOT i was simply asking because someone else called her a warmblood AND I WAS CURIOUS.
get off your high horse.
and my question still wasn't answer. I want to know exactlywhat a "warmblood" is. NOT how much people spend on their animals. goodness gracious.
and the only reason $ signs came up is because you said "people that spend Tons of money and time on their horses. I didn't bring up a horses worth at all being a warmblood or not.
Either you aren't reading what has already been posted, or you aren't understand what is being said.
No wher did I say you have to spend big money on a horse to make it a warmblood.
I believe I said:
No - you cannot say Warmblood, you are misleading people and you are insulting those who spend years and time into their breeding programs to produce true Warmbloods.
i was trying to make a point because the other poster said i would be insulting people who spend tons of time and money on their horses..humph. Just because i didn't spend over $20,000 dollars on her doesn't make her unworthy:shock:
and the only reason $ signs came up is because you said "people that spend Tons of money and time on their horses. I didn't bring up a horses worth at all being a warmblood or not.
Again - you are not reading what I posted. You are making my words into something you want them to be, or you aren't understand what I said.
It would be an insult to my friends, who spend years, money, time and sweat and blood into their breeding programs to ensure that their lines are what they need to be - they have the right to call their horses Warmbloods.
The way I understand it is; calling a grade cross that may have breeds in it that other warmbloods contain a american/canadian warmblood instead of a breedxbreed cross is the same as calling a grade quarter horse an AQHA. You dont do it, because the breeding in registered/inspected horses is careful,precise,specific and in cases superior. A grade horse is fine, should be loved as any other horse, but not called by a name it isnt.
I have a grade horse, he sure looks like a paint, but i wont ever call him an APHA because he sure isnt, just like a shire/throughberd horse isnt a warmblood or sporthorse until inspected/approved, but I still love him and he still means the world to me, grade or Peppy San Bar himself.
Actually, she could not be referred to as an Iberian Horse/Warmblood. It's an accepted fact that the Lippizan descended from the Andalusian, but that alone does not make it an Iberian as it was not developed on the Iberian peninsula. It was developed in Austria, with Iberian horses imported from Spain.
You could get away with calling her an American Warmblood or a Lippizaner Sporthorse. I've noticed this trend in people tacking "sporthorse" to the end of every breed name if half the blood is Thoroughbred or Warmblood. Canadian Warmbloods are pretty much famous for being PMU babies of uncertain ancestory.
Who the fizzuck are you and why are you posting my posts? :-|
Spyder - my point is that I'm sick of people looking at "mutt" as a bad word. A crossbreed approved American Warmblood is STILL a mutt. It's just an approved mutt. It's not necessary to get defensive over use of a word - essentially that's the entire problem with people stealing the Warmblood status title, because they don't want to admit they own a mutt.
Be proud that your mutt is superior quality to half the purebreds out there.
Very true Spyder and I definately agree. Once you've passed inspection, you've earned the right to call your mutt by the association name.
I really mean no offense, I agree with everything you're saying, I'm just a staunch defender of the crossbreeds. It bothers me when people feel they NEED to give it a "proper name" because they somehow think it being a crossbreed makes it less worthy.
Congrats on passing inspection! Crying shame about the papers :-( The CSHA confuses me - their website is absolutely and completely useless for garnering any information. What breeding is your boy?
Congrats on passing inspection! Crying shame about the papers :-( The CSHA confuses me - their website is absolutely and completely useless for garnering any information. What breeding is your boy?
Thanks 75% or better to be approved wasn't easy and a lot more than what teh CSHA requires their stallion to be.
My boy is "D" line hannovarian with Dollar Girl--Dynasty--Ahlerich--Abdullah breeding ( and a tons more) crossed with CSHA that goes back to one of the very first stallions ever approved by them (Ayr). This line includes Carrick and Super Trooper.
I have a very well bred muttthat DOES breed true.
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