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        02-09-2010, 08:08 PM
      #21
    Green Broke
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    Originally Posted by Spyder    
    No....not even an American Warmblood.

    IF and only IF the horse is registered and APPROVED AWS or AWR can it be called an American Warmblood.

    Canadian warmbloods are simular in that you can have what is truly considered warmblood but in the auxilliary division you can have anything including gaited horses. Draft crosses are discouraged but do exist.

    The OPers horse is a TB cross or a Lipp cross. Get it registered something and only then can it be called anything different.
    I was essentially being sarcastic, in keeping with the theme that the minute a horse has anything remotely "sporty" in it's bloodlines, regardless of how far back, it suddenly seems to be an American or Canadian Warmblood/Sporthorse. I agree fully with you, I'm tired of everyone making their horse out to be something it's not.

    Shay-la has a "Canadian Warmblood" - a Clydesdale X Thoroughbred! Funny though, she really has no problem telling people she's a Clydie cross.

    Just tell people she's a Lippizan cross.
         
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        02-09-2010, 08:48 PM
      #22
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    Originally Posted by Canopach01    
    Piaffe - just enjoy your horse. "Obviously you're lowly horse isn't the quality of a warmblood". It is so sad that you would call your wonderful cross lowly. Your horse would probably kick a WB's butt any day. I bet your kid is amazing :)
    Proud owner of TB's, Dutch warmbloods, a Welsh pony and a mutt :)

    I wasn't actually calling her lowly. I was trying to make a point because the other poster said I would be insulting people who spend tons of time and money on their horses..humph. Just because I didn't spend over $20,000 dollars on her doesn't make her unworthy

    Now she is eligible to be registered sporthorse,too so would she be called a sport horse? I won't call her one..just wondering if she can be registered a sport horse,but not really a sport horse

    I know my girl is actually nice quality and her lipizzan pedigree is very good.

    I thought my question was simple...would she be considered a warmblood or not. I wasn't trying to step on anyone's toes or offend or insult anyone by wondering if that is what she was considered.

    Good grief.

    So then what EXACTLY is a warmblood?
         
        02-09-2010, 09:00 PM
      #23
    Trained
    I could spend $20,000 on an Appendix, and that still wouldn't make him a Warmblood. There are many out there who pay $20,000 on a horse, and if that horse is not inspected by strict breeding regulations for that breed, and comes from inspected and approved registered parents - it still wont be a Warmblood.

    And yes, it is an insult to people who pour sweat and blood into their breeding programs, to ensure that their stock remains clean and pure with that lineage that they are producing. If people spend thousands of dollars on having their registered mares and registered stallions inspected on a yearly basis, and their babies inspected and approved to carry on that lineage - to have someone call their "mutt" a warmblood.

    Again, who cares if your horse is a cross - so what? Big whooptie doo. But we choose to call your horses breed, for what it really is.

    No one said your horse was lowly, but you chose to take it that way.

    What is the big deal if your horse isnt a Warmblood? My horse isn't a Warmblood - so? Does that minimize his capeabillities in the show ring? No. So what is the big deal? Does it minimize the amount of love you have for your horse? Shouldn't.



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        02-09-2010, 09:08 PM
      #24
    Green Broke
    Essentially, everything that is a TB cross is called a "sport horse" these days. I believe that the term is only "true" if the animal is actually registered with a sport horse registry, but virtually every single half Thoroughbred can be registered with one assuming certain conditions are met and they pass inspection.

    Technically, Shay-la owns a "Canadian Sporthorse". But she is NOT a Canadian Sporthorse until she is registered. It's not a breed title, it's a status title. Referring to a horse as an American or Canadian Warmblood or Sporthorse without them being registered detracts from the ENTIRE point of the registries in the first place.

    An American/Canadian Warmblood/Sporthorse is NOT a breed. It's a designation that essentially says "yes I own a mutt, but my mutt has been approved as being just as athletic and breed worthy as a purebred". Most individuals would never say the own a "Canadian Sporthorse". They would say they own a "Canadian Sporthorse Approved Percheron X Thoroughbred". In my experience, the only people who say they own an "American Warmblood" are usually the people who DON'T have a registered animal because they're trying to use it as a cover up because they think it's embarrassing to own a mutt. People who own approved animals are proud that the cross came out solid and ideal and want to promote the cross and what it produces.
         
        02-09-2010, 09:11 PM
      #25
    Green Broke
    As a note - the entire reason is that "pure Warmbloods" are also registered with the sport horse and warmblood registries. So saying you own an "American Warmblood" means your horse is the same breed as the purebred Hanoverian down the street. He's no more American Warmblood then your horse is - he just passed inspection, as did your horse.
         
        02-09-2010, 09:15 PM
      #26
    Trained
    Well, a Warmblood comes from YEARS of specific breeding, through strict regulations and strict inspections from that specific breeds organization.

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    In my experience, the only people who say they own an "American Warmblood" are usually the people who DON'T have a registered animal because they're trying to use it as a cover up because they think it's embarrassing to own a mutt.
    It is the same with RID's and RIDSH's - many who own an Irish Sport horse say just that, but those who are involved with the breeds organization and own a horse that is actually Registered and approved and inspected - call them RID's or RIDSH's.
         
        02-09-2010, 09:19 PM
      #27
    Started
    Like I said I DON'T CARE IF SHE IS A WARMBLOOD OR NOT I was simply asking because someone else called her a warmblood AND I WAS CURIOUS.

    Get off your high horse.

    And my question still wasn't answer. I want to know exactly what a "warmblood" is. NOT how much people spend on their animals. Goodness gracious.

    And the only reason $ signs came up is because you said "people that spend Tons of money and time on their horses. I didn't bring up a horses worth at all being a warmblood or not.
         
        02-09-2010, 09:26 PM
      #28
    Trained
    Either you aren't reading what has already been posted, or you aren't understand what is being said.

    No wher did I say you have to spend big money on a horse to make it a warmblood.

    I believe I said:

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    No - you cannot say Warmblood, you are misleading people and you are insulting those who spend years and time into their breeding programs to produce true Warmbloods.
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    i was trying to make a point because the other poster said I would be insulting people who spend tons of time and money on their horses..humph. Just because I didn't spend over $20,000 dollars on her doesn't make her unworthy
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    and the only reason $ signs came up is because you said "people that spend Tons of money and time on their horses. I didn't bring up a horses worth at all being a warmblood or not.

    Again - you are not reading what I posted. You are making my words into something you want them to be, or you aren't understand what I said.

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    It would be an insult to my friends, who spend years, money, time and sweat and blood into their breeding programs to ensure that their lines are what they need to be - they have the right to call their horses Warmbloods.
    Please explain to me, where I said because you didn't spend $20,000.00 on her is what makes her unworthy to be a WB?

    And links have been posted for you to read as to what a WB is, and other posters have posted what makes a WB - but you aren't reading.
         
        02-09-2010, 09:42 PM
      #29
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    Originally Posted by Piaffe    
    i wasn't actually calling her lowly. I was trying to make a point because the other poster said I would be insulting people who spend tons of time and money on their horses..humph. Just because I didn't spend over $20,000 dollars on her doesn't make her unworthy
    The dollar amount spent actually has nothing to do with what it may or may not be called.

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    Now she is eligible to be registered sporthorse,too so would she be called a sport horse? I won't call her one..just wondering if she can be registered a sport horse,but not really a sport horse
    With what registry?????????????

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    I know my girl is actually nice quality and her lipizzan pedigree is very good.
    That is nice....so will she remain unregistered or are you willing to put a SMALL amount of money to get her registered and with what sporthorse registry is it you had in mind?

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    i thought my question was simple...would she be considered a warmblood or not. I wasn't trying to step on anyone's toes or offend or insult anyone by wondering if that is what she was considered.
    Look at my previous post. Question answered there.


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    So then what EXACTLY is a warmblood?
    A warmblood that is RECOGNIZED as a warmblood is mainly the ones that came from Europe with generations of selective breeding and approval behind them and are more likely to BREED TRUE. Just throwing anything with anything as is done here in N America DOES NOT breed true.

    Not saying with good management and top notch selective breeding and inspections that America can't have a warmblood to rival the Europeans just that we have only made 1 small step on a very long road and are just not there yet.
         
        02-09-2010, 09:44 PM
      #30
    Weanling
    The way I understand it is; calling a grade cross that may have breeds in it that other warmbloods contain a american/canadian warmblood instead of a breedxbreed cross is the same as calling a grade quarter horse an AQHA. You don't do it, because the breeding in registered/inspected horses is careful,precise,specific and in cases superior. A grade horse is fine, should be loved as any other horse, but not called by a name it isnt.
    I have a grade horse, he sure looks like a paint, but I wont ever call him an APHA because he sure isnt, just like a shire/throughberd horse isnt a warmblood or sporthorse until inspected/approved, but I still love him and he still means the world to me, grade or Peppy San Bar himself.
         

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