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        05-19-2013, 07:24 AM
      #41
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    Thanks for the replies and thanks for the slight correction, TheNinja. I was/am basing my own opinion of the stud fee's on what I personally know/have seen.
         
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        05-19-2013, 07:37 AM
      #42
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    I also would like to put in, I just did a general search for TWH stallions at stud and not one of their stud fee's that I found was over $500. Several were $250 or below and the 'average' appeared to be about $300.

    I only did a general search and that's what I found. TWH stud fee's aren't near as outrageous as AQHA and other breeds.
         
        05-19-2013, 09:31 AM
      #43
    Foal
    A "general search" for TWH, will pull up PERFORMANCE horses. That is why I just explained all of that. Watchout is still at stud, his owners daughter, Nataleigh, is a very good friend of mine. I am breeding one of mine to him next spring, matter of fact.
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        05-19-2013, 09:32 AM
      #44
    Foal
    And guess what, his stud fee is...... $500. ;)
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        05-19-2013, 10:15 AM
      #45
    Weanling
    Just like a few other people said $250 is a vary low price for a stud fee. We have a stallion with a $700 stud fee. He's a friesian stallion. A lot of stallions that are worth the breeding are $1000 or more for one stud. Breeding to any of the stallions here I don't recommended. There conformation is not on the great side. With your mares conformation. You want a stallion that can help with her conformation faults. My friend has a half arab/paint. Nice looking horse but his conformation is so bad. She did not take my word about the stallion that she had picked. She got a bad foal out of it. Then sold him, as he could not be ridden because he was so bad. So now he is a driving horse. Even being a driving horse he will never get to the higher levels of training because he is so bad conformation wise.
    Think of it like this. Why do you think we have so many unwanted horse? It's because of unwanted and bad breeding. Everyone wants a foal, who wouldn't. Super cute, get to train them...etc. However breeding to a stallion and a mare that are not worth can give you a unwanted horse in the end. Who may not be able to carry a rider. So what happens, they end up dead. We had a lot of people around here that use to breed to any old horse. Then we had so many horses that could not do a thing. Some turned out to be a good driving horse, some where shot. So if I where you, I would save for some time and get a better breeding. So you can have one more good foal out of her that could be your future riding horse.
         
        05-20-2013, 03:12 PM
      #46
    Yearling
    I don't know too much about TWH's and so I don't think it would be fair for me to judge any of these horses - I'm also no conformational expert. If you really want to breed your mare, it's not my business to try and convince you not to or ask questions about your finances. Breeding at 18 years old isn't a huge deal. I've known many breeders who breed their mares into their 20's. As long as she's healthy, she should be fine. I personally like the last two studs you posted, but only for the fact that someone took the time to take some decent pictures.

    However, I think you can only glean so much from a picture and if you really want to get a good idea about these studs, it would be a good idea to see them in person before making a decision. There are some pictures of my mare, taken from a bad angle or where she's just standing awkwardly, where she looks like a pot-bellied mule. In person however, that is not the case. Take someone with you who is knowledgeable about conformation to go see these studs. You can also get a better idea about their temperament and movement as well that is difficult to get from pictures or videos off the internet. Just remember, that the stallion owners are only going to advertise what they want you to see.

    Good luck with your stallion search!
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        05-20-2013, 04:01 PM
      #47
    Showing
    I don't think you really understand how much breeding costs. The actual stud fee is peanuts compared to pregnancy vet visits, ultrasounds, breeding soundness exams, prenatal shots, testing for diseases of mare and stallion, gelding the foal if a colt, registering the foal, and vet care for the mare and foal should something go wrong. When you do it correctly, breeding costs thousands. The stud fee is a drop in the bucket.

    Breeding is a crapshoot. You could get the best traits from each parent or the worst. When your sire and dam are mediocre at best, even if the foal miraculously received the best traits from each parent, he will still be a very average horse. In my mind, it is incredibly irresponsible to bring a horse into the world with no advantage over other horses at having a good quality of life.

    Your mare has not done anything to warrant breeding her. The stallions are not breeding material, and there is no purpose for this foal past what you can pick up at a local auction without creating another mouth to feed.

    Please just think this over. Breeding should be left to the experts and the horses that have excellent conformation and have proven themselves without a doubt in one area or another, be it showing, ranch work, etc.
         
        05-20-2013, 04:23 PM
      #48
    Trained
    I just had 3 healthy foals born in the last 6 weeks. Since I own my stallion and the mares, the cost for all 3 including extra feed and supplements was way under 1,000 $.
    I do not give any extra shots just make sure the mares have been given their annuals 6-4 weeks before foaling.
    If I did have the mares US and gave those shots I don't find necessary the 3 foals would still cost me only about 1,000.
    You do not have to spend thousands to get a healthy foal.
    If you find you must for your own peace of mind then so be it. Shalom
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        05-20-2013, 04:43 PM
      #49
    Trained
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by dbarabians    
    You do not have to spend thousands to get a healthy foal.
    If you are lucky you don't for sure, mares get bred and produce healthy foals all the time

    BUT

    Sh1t happens, where there is live stock there is dead stock, horses at the best of times are money pits, and when things go wrong you can start auctioning off body parts to pay for it.

    Every foaling season I read of sadly lost foals, and sick and dying mares because people wont/can't/ or don't realize they need to call the vet. I agree, when I had my own mares and a stallion life was simple, costs could be kept down, but*sigh* you know that foals only decide to arrive and need help on long weekends or out of hours, it is always a premium cost vet call.
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        05-20-2013, 04:45 PM
      #50
    Trained
    DB ultrasounds are essential to check for twining... Not doing so is a gross oversight IMPO. The loss of the mares and/or foal(s) due to something that can be prevented (such as US at 14-16 days post breeding for twins) is negligent.
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