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    12-29-2011, 04:27 PM
Originally Posted by nrhareiner    
To me it is just one more thing to look at and think about when breeding. For me it is assigned a weight and that is all put into the decision process as to use a given stallion or mare or not.

There is no way I would ever say that no HERDA carriers can ever be used or registered. That is just not realistic.
Yes, it would take loud and persistent public outcry to work against the interests of the big time breeders who control the industry. I wouldn't call a change to the current policy unrealistic, just improbable if folks don't care enough to put higher value on non-carriers. The sport industry could indeed still produce champions without creating more HERDA or GBED carriers going forward.
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    12-29-2011, 04:39 PM
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    12-29-2011, 04:48 PM
The AQHA is going to be offering a panel of tests which will include a test for HERDA so owners can identify horses who are carriers. I don't know if that information will then be printed on a horse's papers, or not. As it is, the tests for HERDA and GBED are available without registry involvement. This move by the AQHA could, however, be the beginning of new regulations for carriers.
    12-29-2011, 06:51 PM
Originally Posted by animalartcreations    
Yes, it would take loud and persistent public outcry to work against the interests of the big time breeders who control the industry. I wouldn't call a change to the current policy unrealistic, just improbable if folks don't care enough to put higher value on non-carriers. The sport industry could indeed still produce champions without creating more HERDA or GBED carriers going forward.
In my mind it has little to do with big time breeders or little breeders. It has everything to do with the quality of the horses involved. If the horse is of high enough quality to over ride the fact that he/she is a HERDA carrier then you use them. If not then you do not use them. I have a very nice g-son of Doc O'Lena out of a g-daughter of Peppy San. Finished reiner. His get where looking very nice. When the test came out I tested him. He was/is a carrier. I weighed his quality vs him being a carrier. I gelded and sold him. Although he was a very nice horse there are many other very nice reining stallions who are not carriers with very similar breeding. SO there was no need to keep him intact. However there are other stallions out there that their quality, show record out weigh they carrier status.

Again it all comes down to what weight you put on a horse being a carrier.
    02-22-2012, 11:55 AM
HERDA - Live Foal Guarantee

I'm helping a friend select a cutting horse stallion and there is one that he would like to consider that is offering a HERDA Live Foal Guarantee (uggh! Not MY choice but it's not my decision). My question is for those that have seen several of these "guarantees," are they all the same or have you seen variations of the terms? What would be the best wording if you were to select one of these stallions?
    02-22-2012, 12:04 PM
Each one is going to be different and you just need to read the contract. I am not sure how you would garentee anything. There is a 50% chance of a carrier passing on the defective gene.

If the mare is N/N then it would be something that I would look at in the stallion put what weight I think it needs and add it into that other things the stallion has to offer vs what other stallions have to offer.

HERDA is no different then any other recessive gene. It needs to be treated as such.
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    02-22-2012, 12:37 PM
Yes, I completely understand that. I'm hoping that someone who has reviewed several of these new "genetic live foal guarantees" has details on variations of terms, mare requirements, rebreed/refund, spay/geld to register, etc.

I realize that this is a hot topic and many are passionate about one side or the other--and I appreciate passion. Yet, in this case, I'm not asking for opinions on what is right vs. wrong in regards to breeding a HERDA carrier. There are plenty of places I can go to quickly review a multitude of evidence/opinions. Yet, there is little to no information that specifically addresses the legal wording of these guarantees to know what minor details might be best to add or remove from a contract.
    02-22-2012, 01:00 PM
There is no place b/c it does not exist. What is legal here in a contract may or may not be legal in anouther area of the US. If you want to make sure this contract is legal and binding for your area you need to cantact a Lawyer. That is the only way to do it. I can tell you what I have seen and what others have done but at the end of the day for THAT contract in YOUR area or more precisely the area in which it would be ejudicated you need to contact an attorny. That is the ONLY way you will really have a good handle on it.
    02-22-2012, 01:34 PM
HERDA - Live Foal Guarantee

If any forum member has first hand knowledge/experience involving a HERDA Live Foal Guarantee--terms and conditions (from personal experience or a close friend) I would like to hear your thoughts. If you would prefer to contact me privately to avoid confrontation on the forum, please email me at
    02-22-2012, 01:39 PM
I am giving you first hand knowlage. If you choise not to take it then so be it. You can put anything into a contract that you wish. The wording will come down to where you live in the US. I have changed many contracts over the years in regards to breeding and training. I have never used a trainers contract. I always use one that was prepaired by an attorny. If you do not like that fact or do not wish to pay the money then you get what you get.

If you what options it will come down to what YOU want at the end of the day. Do you want a re breed to a HERDA carrier and hope the second foal is neg? Or do you want your money back? What if you breed again and get anouther HERDA pos foal? Then what. There are many things you need to think about and put into a contract. However no matter what you put in a contract that is legal here may not be legal in Tx or Ca.

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