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    02-24-2012, 09:09 AM
  #61
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Originally Posted by CRRoans    
Thanks for the input Tapperjockey. Yes, new tests have usually made such guarantees a thing of the past--or so I thought.

Thanks also for those who private messaged.
Some people are still old school about stuff like that and aren't up on the latest research and stuff.. so it's a fluffy "feel" good thing for them.
     
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    02-29-2012, 05:45 AM
  #62
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Originally Posted by nrhareiner    
I think you need to go back and ready what I typed. I have no problems using carrier stallions as long as there are other things about them that out weigh that.

My point is that there are stallion owners out there especially before the test was available that would give HERDA free gaurnetees. It was a way to get mares to look at their stallions. It is no differnet today. Excpet there is a test.

My point is why even bother offering this? One thing comes to mind. If I was a stallion owner this could be a win win depending on how the contract is wrighten. Plus some mare owners just like things like this. I am not sure why a top stallion with that kind of stud fee would bother b/c you are correct they do not need to but that is what was stated in the OP latter post.

I would like to know which stallion this is and I would love to read the contract.
Highbrow Cat has a stud fee of 22500 and a Herda guarantee. His son Sophisticated Catt also has a guarantee and it says:

"HERDA Guarantee
In the event the mare bred tests N/Hr for the HERDA gene, a hair sample of the foal produced from this breeding must be tested at an approved laboratory before it reaches 12 months of age. If the foal tests H/H for the HERDA gene, the owner must return registration certificate* of the foal and a signed transfer to Brightstone Ranch. Upon receipt of signed transfer, Brightstone Ranch will refund paid breeding fee, and also issue a complimentary breeding for another mare belonging to the mare owner.
* If registration has not been submitted, mating certificate must be returned."

It's a guarantee in case the foal is HRD/HRD.
     
    02-29-2012, 08:59 AM
  #63
Trained
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Originally Posted by Callisto04    
Highbrow Cat has a stud fee of 22500 and a Herda guarantee. His son Sophisticated Catt also has a guarantee and it says:

"HERDA Guarantee
In the event the mare bred tests N/Hr for the HERDA gene, a hair sample of the foal produced from this breeding must be tested at an approved laboratory before it reaches 12 months of age. If the foal tests H/H for the HERDA gene, the owner must return registration certificate* of the foal and a signed transfer to Brightstone Ranch. Upon receipt of signed transfer, Brightstone Ranch will refund paid breeding fee, and also issue a complimentary breeding for another mare belonging to the mare owner.
* If registration has not been submitted, mating certificate must be returned."

It's a guarantee in case the foal is HRD/HRD.
Why would you even wast your time breeding a N/Hr mare to him? Why wast a year of your mares life with a chance of getting afflicted foal. To me that is stupid. Although I am sure there are thouse out there that would will and have done it. I personally would not wast the time.

The thing is they are not giving a guarentee that the horse will not be a carrier. So you still have a high chance that you will end up with a carrier foal. Not the worst thing in the world but again why take a chance.

I have no problem breeding a carrier to a non carrier but that is as fare as that would go.
     
    02-29-2012, 09:07 AM
  #64
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Originally Posted by nrhareiner    
Why would you even wast your time breeding a N/Hr mare to him? Why wast a year of your mares life with a chance of getting afflicted foal. To me that is stupid. Although I am sure there are thouse out there that would will and have done it. I personally would not wast the time.

The thing is they are not giving a guarentee that the horse will not be a carrier. So you still have a high chance that you will end up with a carrier foal. Not the worst thing in the world but again why take a chance.

I have no problem breeding a carrier to a non carrier but that is as fare as that would go.
Of course there's no guarantee the foal won't be a carrier. Chances are 50% it will be, so it would be rather expensive to cover that. It seems High Brow Cat is bred to lots of Smart Little Lena daughters. Statistically half of them are carriers too.
     
    02-29-2012, 03:18 PM
  #65
Green Broke
It's funny to me how OLWS is never treated the same as other diseases. I know the main argument is because of the fun color frame provides, but how is it any different then desiring the muscles of a HYPP horse or the elasticity and athleticism of a HERDA horse?

It's frustrating how little OLWS is in the limelight, and as a result, how little testing gets done. I swear it's like people don't even know about it where I live. I see foals advertised constantly by blatantly frame parents - both of them.

So those of you who wouldn't breed to a HERDA carrier - would you breed to a confirmed frame overo stallion with a non frame overo mare? No risk of an OLWS foal, but obviously the foal could be a "carrier".
     
    02-29-2012, 09:45 PM
  #66
Weanling
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Originally Posted by MacabreMikolaj    
It's funny to me how OLWS is never treated the same as other diseases. I know the main argument is because of the fun color frame provides, but how is it any different then desiring the muscles of a HYPP horse or the elasticity and athleticism of a HERDA horse?

It's frustrating how little OLWS is in the limelight, and as a result, how little testing gets done. I swear it's like people don't even know about it where I live. I see foals advertised constantly by blatantly frame parents - both of them.

So those of you who wouldn't breed to a HERDA carrier - would you breed to a confirmed frame overo stallion with a non frame overo mare? No risk of an OLWS foal, but obviously the foal could be a "carrier".
Not a breeder....but have have breed my mare once..........not a quarter horse person but I would never breed any horse with one copy of any genetic disorder to another horse with or with out another genetic disorder.

I have a horse with PSSM that is unrideable and I will likely put down some time in the future.

I think it is disgusting that any one would breed a horse with even one copy of a genetic disorder including OLWS.

Super Nova
     

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