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    05-02-2013, 08:20 PM
  #11
Weanling
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Originally Posted by toto    
If you want more experience with horse breeding barns.. go hang out at a successful breeding barn and see how its run- ask many questions.. even if they tell you 'you ask too many questions' ..ask more!

If you can- go visit as many as you can- ask as many questions as you can and gain as much information as you can from as many people that run a successful breeding facility as you possibly can.. then get you a good horse.
I will do that ;) I am going to USU for my BS, emphasising on horses. There are hands on classes in AI, stallion management, and things like that. There are also business programs in the course I will be taking, along with many other useful things. I will see about helping out at a breeding farm on the weekends or something like that for extra experience.
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    05-02-2013, 08:25 PM
  #12
Showing
After you get your degree there's nothing like experience and lots of it before you get into your own program. I think your best bet is to hire on with a breeding farm as there will be so much more to learn.
     
    05-02-2013, 08:27 PM
  #13
Weanling
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Originally Posted by Saddlebag    
After you get your degree there's nothing like experience and lots of it before you get into your own program. I think your best bet is to hire on with a breeding farm as there will be so much more to learn.
That is a good idea as well. In the area, there are a ton of Arabian farms.
     
    05-02-2013, 08:33 PM
  #14
Showing
How are you going to make money breeding and raising one single foal at a time?

Purchase price of dressage-worthy mare: $10,000
Showing mare to 3rd level: $15000 ($500/show 6 times per year for 5 years- guesstimate!)
Boarding/trimming/regular maintenance of mare for 5 years: $19500 (at a minimum. Board calculated at $300/month)
Breeding fee: $2000
Vet fees, etc: $2500
Boarding foal (@$200/month) for 3 years, farrier, inoculations: $8000
Professional 90 day start to foal: $3000
Campaigning foal at 6 shows/year for 3 years @$500/show: $9000.

You'd have to sell the mare and foal for $69000 to break even.

That is not a business plan to become a breeder. To be a breeder you need more than one mare, and have a solid plan for the foals to be profitable.
     
    05-02-2013, 08:40 PM
  #15
Trained
One foal at a time is not a bad plan for a hobby farm but to withstand IRS scrutiny as a business you either need several mares and breed multiple foals (Or something I don't believe in but big farms do it all the time, one mare and numerous recips) every year and/or get a stallion and promote the fire out of him and stand him to the public.
     
    05-02-2013, 08:48 PM
  #16
Weanling
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Originally Posted by JustDressageIt    
That is not a business plan to become a breeder. To be a breeder you need more than one mare, and have a solid plan for the foals to be profitable.
That is why I am asking this question.. I am looking for other people's opinions on how to make this work better. So far, I like the first poster's idea about the stallion. I can get a stallion and if his stud fees are successful, then I can get a few mares and sell live foals.

Does that sound better?
     
    05-02-2013, 11:11 PM
  #17
Started
One or two mares isn't much to look at. That is hardly a hobby. The IRS is looking for profit when you file income not a loss (you have so many years to break even). You need to start out with only the best mares and stallions in the dressage industry. Just as mentioned earlier, one foal will not brea even. Stamping your mark is like putting your foot in the door. I'm not great at explaining everything but it's important you produce more foals. I learned (almost the hard way) that you have to start out with only the best to be taken seriously. For example, I own my own stallion. He has proven foals but wasn't given opportunity to show himself except a couple times before us. No one was taking him seriously. Now I have him in training for a few months already out in the public doing stallion parades and readying for shows this month. Overall, I've spent at least $5000 in three months not counting his shows yet. That includes the hotel, stallion parade fees, gas, boarding, training fees, and feed costs at bare minimum. I expect to spend close to $300-500 per show weekend(association has package deals) and more depending if I go to other associations and states. It's quite expensive so please, please, buy only the best and sought after horses and promote them. Going to a breeding farm for a few years is the greatest idea and best solution to see what it takes to fully opperate a breeding farm.
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    05-02-2013, 11:15 PM
  #18
Trained
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Originally Posted by JustDressageIt    
How are you going to make money breeding and raising one single foal at a time?

Purchase price of dressage-worthy mare: $10,000
Showing mare to 3rd level: $15000 ($500/show 6 times per year for 5 years- guesstimate!)
Boarding/trimming/regular maintenance of mare for 5 years: $19500 (at a minimum. Board calculated at $300/month)
Breeding fee: $2000
Vet fees, etc: $2500
Boarding foal (@$200/month) for 3 years, farrier, inoculations: $8000
Professional 90 day start to foal: $3000
Campaigning foal at 6 shows/year for 3 years @$500/show: $9000.

You'd have to sell the mare and foal for $69000 to break even.

That is not a business plan to become a breeder. To be a breeder you need more than one mare, and have a solid plan for the foals to be profitable.
That is a seriously low balled estimate :P I'd say:

Purchase price of dressage-worthy mare: $30,000 (as a 4 year old, minimum price if you are lucky!!)
Showing mare to 3rd level: ~ $30,000 per year to keep and maintain horse (low balled when compared to boarding - this is keeping the horse at home), complete and get training, if you're good you can do it in 2 years, budget 3 in case of lameness/illness - $90,000 total
Stud fee/shipping/container fee/etc: $3000 (for mediocre or not heard about stallion)
Vet fees, etc: $2500 (if there are no complications and if the mare catches first time)
Boarding foal (@$400/month) for 3 years, farrier, inoculations: $16,000 (more realistic)
Professional 90 day start to foal: $4500 ($1500/mo is going rate)
Campaigning foal at 6 shows/year for 3 years @$500/show: again, $30,00 per year = $90,000

So a more realistic total is $236,000 if you are breeding a foal that is truly something special and not what the current market is absolutely saturated with. If you want a "warm-blood" that can "do dressage" go on horsetopia and they are everywhere.
To breed a truly nice foal which has a fighting chance to do international competitions, this is the cost. Even then the foal can still be born with birth defects which make it unridable, it can run through a fence, break a leg, etc.. etc.. or your mare and/or foal can die during birth. It is a huge gamble and I would not suggest it as something to be taken lightly.

Unless you yourself are a really great dressage rider with the potential to bring horses up at the rate at which the young horse tests progress (ie PSG by 7 years of age), I would not suggest you even attempt to breed dressage horses. Unless you are a rider and a trainer, it is impossible to understand what are desirable traits to have in a dressage horse and what a "collectible" gait looks like.


That's just my $0.02 I've seen lots of friends get into breeding and fall flat on their faces, and they know what they are getting into!!
     
    05-02-2013, 11:55 PM
  #19
Yearling
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Originally Posted by ~*~anebel~*~    
That is a seriously low balled estimate :P I'd say:

Purchase price of dressage-worthy mare: $30,000 (as a 4 year old, minimum price if you are lucky!!)
Showing mare to 3rd level: ~ $30,000 per year to keep and maintain horse (low balled when compared to boarding - this is keeping the horse at home), complete and get training, if you're good you can do it in 2 years, budget 3 in case of lameness/illness - $90,000 total
Stud fee/shipping/container fee/etc: $3000 (for mediocre or not heard about stallion)
Vet fees, etc: $2500 (if there are no complications and if the mare catches first time)
Boarding foal (@$400/month) for 3 years, farrier, inoculations: $16,000 (more realistic)
Professional 90 day start to foal: $4500 ($1500/mo is going rate)
Campaigning foal at 6 shows/year for 3 years @$500/show: again, $30,00 per year = $90,000

So a more realistic total is $236,000 if you are breeding a foal that is truly something special and not what the current market is absolutely saturated with. If you want a "warm-blood" that can "do dressage" go on horsetopia and they are everywhere.
To breed a truly nice foal which has a fighting chance to do international competitions, this is the cost. Even then the foal can still be born with birth defects which make it unridable, it can run through a fence, break a leg, etc.. etc.. or your mare and/or foal can die during birth. It is a huge gamble and I would not suggest it as something to be taken lightly.

Unless you yourself are a really great dressage rider with the potential to bring horses up at the rate at which the young horse tests progress (ie PSG by 7 years of age), I would not suggest you even attempt to breed dressage horses. Unless you are a rider and a trainer, it is impossible to understand what are desirable traits to have in a dressage horse and what a "collectible" gait looks like.


That's just my $0.02 I've seen lots of friends get into breeding and fall flat on their faces, and they know what they are getting into!!


This over and over. There are too many moronic breeders out there breeding for absolutely nothing except 'fame' online, or kolor, or what so and so's great great almost not on the papers did ages ago, and have saturated the market, or will saturate the market with crap foals.

You need to make sure you are willing to LOSE bookoo bucks the first (most likely 10 years) because first few years you can't do much with a foal, and then it'll take a few years to even find out if your prospect has the talent and train-ability to even compete, much less at upper levels!! And that's not even including farrier, dental, trainers, vet work, campaigning your farms name and getting yourself out there and KNOWN as something special.
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    05-03-2013, 12:01 AM
  #20
Showing
Quote:
Originally Posted by ~*~anebel~*~    
That is a seriously low balled estimate :P I'd say:

Purchase price of dressage-worthy mare: $30,000 (as a 4 year old, minimum price if you are lucky!!)
Showing mare to 3rd level: ~ $30,000 per year to keep and maintain horse (low balled when compared to boarding - this is keeping the horse at home), complete and get training, if you're good you can do it in 2 years, budget 3 in case of lameness/illness - $90,000 total
Stud fee/shipping/container fee/etc: $3000 (for mediocre or not heard about stallion)
Vet fees, etc: $2500 (if there are no complications and if the mare catches first time)
Boarding foal (@$400/month) for 3 years, farrier, inoculations: $16,000 (more realistic)
Professional 90 day start to foal: $4500 ($1500/mo is going rate)
Campaigning foal at 6 shows/year for 3 years @$500/show: again, $30,00 per year = $90,000

So a more realistic total is $236,000 if you are breeding a foal that is truly something special and not what the current market is absolutely saturated with. If you want a "warm-blood" that can "do dressage" go on horsetopia and they are everywhere.
To breed a truly nice foal which has a fighting chance to do international competitions, this is the cost. Even then the foal can still be born with birth defects which make it unridable, it can run through a fence, break a leg, etc.. etc.. or your mare and/or foal can die during birth. It is a huge gamble and I would not suggest it as something to be taken lightly.

Unless you yourself are a really great dressage rider with the potential to bring horses up at the rate at which the young horse tests progress (ie PSG by 7 years of age), I would not suggest you even attempt to breed dressage horses. Unless you are a rider and a trainer, it is impossible to understand what are desirable traits to have in a dressage horse and what a "collectible" gait looks like.


That's just my $0.02 I've seen lots of friends get into breeding and fall flat on their faces, and they know what they are getting into!!

I was hoping you'd chime in!! I was being EXTREMELY, extremely conservative with my numbers - a "eh" mare doing "eh" shows, doing all the training yourself (unrealistic.)
     

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