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post #11 of 16 Old 07-06-2011, 01:18 AM
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That appy at stud 'Reminic In Spots' would NOT mix well this this mare!

I had a little look (I mostly know performance or halter bred stallions) at sporty appaloosa stallions at stud.

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post #12 of 16 Old 07-06-2011, 09:46 AM Thread Starter
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The baby is hoped to be an english horse. my mare is only about 15 hands so looking for some size
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post #13 of 16 Old 07-06-2011, 12:58 PM
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Downhill + uphill doesn't = straight. An uphill horse is desired because it will naturally work off it's hind, something desired in most disciplines. While it really has no effect on a regular old trail horse, from a breeder's standpoint it is generally avoided. When crossing the two, one would hope for inheritance of the uphill-ness (However you term it) from the sire.

What she does really depends on what she plans to use the foal for. Though the foal would have full ApHC papers (Assuming sire is a registered Appy? I think I'm wrong...) I'm guessing by his pattern and foals that he is heterozygous for the loud coloration. So you'd have about a 50/50 chance for a patterned App - correct me if I'm wrong... The leopard complex is called a complex for a reason.
The stallion in question is not and cannot be registered with ApHC unless it is gelded, and any resulting foal between the stallion cannot be ApHC registered unless gelded or spayed, and then ony if it meets color/characteristic criteria. Friesian, thank goodness, is not an approved ApHC cross breed.

As to your "regular old trail horse" comment, I shall assume you are referring to horses not bred and trained for rugged trail work - just plain old horses used for trails. As a former breeder and trainer of high quality endurance trail horses, I assure you conformation is as important - likely more important - in trail work as in any other discipline.

To the OP - generally breeding crosses is risky because the product is unpredictable, thus a violation of basic breeding principles. In other words, the stallion has Friesian and Appy genetics, and there is no way of knowing what he will throw. If he has a lot of foals on the ground out of Appy mares with similar bloodlines and phenotype to yours, and if there is consistency in those get, that might provide you with a reasonable comfort level...
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post #14 of 16 Old 07-06-2011, 04:20 PM
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I'll admit, I didn't take a very good look before posting that link... I think I'll agree with you now, my mistake.

As for the "plain old trail horse," yes, I was referring to just a backyard gelding/visitor horse, not a quality work horse.
I'm really unfamiliar with the ApHC breeding policies. Are they similar to the APHA as far as outcrossing goes?

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I'll admit, I didn't take a very good look before posting that link... I think I'll agree with you now, my mistake.

As for the "plain old trail horse," yes, I was referring to just a backyard gelding/visitor horse, not a quality work horse.
I'm really unfamiliar with the ApHC breeding policies. Are they similar to the APHA as far as outcrossing goes?
ApHC permits outcrossing to Arabs, Quarterhorses, and Thoroughbreds, but they must be registered and off-breed stallions must be listed with ApHC as approved stallions. Horses with Appy color of any breeding may be hardship registered if they are neutered or spayed.

Unlike the AHA or AQHA, which have reasonable registration policies, ApHC permits crossing the offspring of outcrossing. Thus a half-Appy can cross with a Quarterhorse, resulting in a foal that is 1/4 Appy that can be ApHC registered, and that 1/4th Appy can cross with a Quarterhorse resulting in a 1/8th Appy that can be ApHC registered...then 1/16th, then 1/32nd, and so on and so on. Thus, many ApHC registered horses are registered as Appys, but are actually not Appys at all, but rather Quarterhorses with Appy spots.

ApHC registration policy is based upon greed - securing as many members (and dues) as possible - it is obviously not the registration policy of a registry with any interest in preserving or being a steward of the breed. On the contrary, it is destroying the breed and reducing the term Appaploosa to nothing more than a color/pattern designation. Thankfully, there are breeders that breed Appy to Appy, so despite ApHC's policies that ultimately would lead to extinction of the breed, the Appy survives and hopefully will continue to do so...
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I own a foundation-type Appy, and I must say, I love him. He's not Quarter type at all. Thanks for clearing up the registration requirements for me, really appreciate it.
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