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    01-18-2009, 08:15 AM
  #11
Foal
How wonderful to see you showing him under so many different classes-definately a versatile man (can he clean house too lol)
Great job!
     
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    01-18-2009, 06:55 PM
  #12
Yearling
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Originally Posted by onetoomany    
Absolutely gorgeous stud, very worthy of his man bits.

Mayfieldk, I think that is kind of an offensive statement toward the western world. I know many well trained horses that love their jobs and I don't consider it a "rare find" at all. If you would like me to start naming them, I will.

It is an offensive statement toward the western world; it's fallen into a huge horrible hole of unhappy, unnatural horses, bloody sides, and abusive training. Don't believe me? Have you heard about the abuse case standing against Cleve Wells, one of the AQHA's top trainers? He's being sued, and Ariat, Horseware, among other sponsers, have already dropped him for the 2009 year.

I went to the University of Findlay for Western training and trained before that with a multiple AQHA and APHA world champion, with cow horses AND pleasure horses.

I know the western world very, very well.

Most horses today hate their job, hate the bits that are yanked in their mouth because they are not handled correctly, and are far, far from any kind of collection because their hip gets turned out and their legs trail behind. For every 'happy' horse you tell me, I could should you 20 videos/movies of unhappy ones, if not more.

I believe, however, my complement was not backhanded. They trained their horse correctly, and anymore in the show world, that's not happening. They took the time it takes to do it right.
     
    01-18-2009, 07:44 PM
  #13
Weanling
I can show you twenty videos of well trained western horses that love their jobs. I'm not saying there aren't faults in the western world but there are just as many in the english.
     
    01-18-2009, 08:23 PM
  #14
Yearling
When did english come into this? Both have problems. I compete in both so I know them well. I'm not bashing western because English is 'so much better'.

The MAJORITY of western horses, especially WP, are not happy. I didn't say there weren't any at all. I also pointed out incorrect work--there are plenty of happy western horses who are moving with very little, if any at all, collection.

I'm not saying this because I don't like WP. I love it; my horse competes in it, I love riding it.

What I'm saying is that in a show world, where the majority of winning horses are forced into false frames, doctored tails, drugs, and abusive training methods, or just plain incorrect work, these trainers did an excellent job of training their stud.
     
    01-19-2009, 09:12 AM
  #15
Showing
Quote:
Originally Posted by mayfieldk    
It is an offensive statement toward the western world; it's fallen into a huge horrible hole of unhappy, unnatural horses, bloody sides, and abusive training. Don't believe me? Have you heard about the abuse case standing against Cleve Wells, one of the AQHA's top trainers? He's being sued, and Ariat, Horseware, among other sponsers, have already dropped him for the 2009 year.

Most horses today hate their job, hate the bits that are yanked in their mouth because they are not handled correctly, and are far, far from any kind of collection because their hip gets turned out and their legs trail behind. For every 'happy' horse you tell me, I could should you 20 videos/movies of unhappy ones, if not more.

I believe, however, my complement was not backhanded. They trained their horse correctly, and anymore in the show world, that's not happening. They took the time it takes to do it right.
Wow, uummm I hate to burst your bubble, but this happens in every discipline. Not just western. Yes, there are trainers out there that use sharp spurs, harsh bits, and brute force to train their horses but there are also trainers out there that work with the horses and teach rather than force them to perform. I am not meaning to insult any other discipline but look at dressage=rollkur, jumping=spiked jump poles (yes I have seen it), reining and cutting=big sharp spurs and harsh bits, pleasure=ropes and cables to "encourage" the headset. Not every trainer uses these methods but they do happen every day. Anyway, back to the OP. Still love the horse. If I was looking to breed, I would definitely look here. :)
     
    01-19-2009, 12:35 PM
  #16
Yearling
'When did english come into this? Both have problems. I compete in both so I know them well. I'm not bashing western because English is 'so much better'.'

Read all of my comments before you post on them.
     
    01-19-2009, 01:24 PM
  #17
Foal
Hi Guys.
Wow this thread has turned into quite an interesting debate.
However, thank you for the complements on my boy.
Regarding the debate, yes I too have witnessed many "harsh" techniques
And trainers. But I have had the pleasure to work with a few that take it slower and have a much more softer approach. I have mostly been in the western world so I have seen it a lot in the reining and working cow and pleasure too. I myself don't ride english...my friend rides him English, but I am sure they have some harsh training methods too depending on the trainer. Yes Buckwheat has life pretty good and at a slow, forgiving pace. He was with a pretty strict trainer at one time but that did not last....it was not my style so…well leave it at that. I figure if it takes long for a horse to get it so be it. They are happier learning at their pace that is the way it should be. I think a lot of top riders/trainers are just really pressured to get 2 and 3 years olds broke enough to go to futurities and things and not all the horses they have in training are really that caliber but they try to cram a square peg in a round hole...so to speak, because they are being paid to. Many owners think their horse is capable of anything and everything and that is just not entirely true, some horses are better at certain things than others and there are many factors to this. But trainers are almost forced (to a point) to "make" them do it and with the right rider/trainer they usually can pull it off to a point but that doesn't mean it is right for the horse. Anyway, I do think it happens in the higher caliber riders more due to the pressure of having young horses ready to complete so early and it happens more than most think. I would not ever want to be a paid trainer that is a very hard place to be…in the middle of an owner, horse and show politics and timelines.
     
    03-24-2009, 02:08 PM
  #18
Foal
Our 2009 foals have arrived! And we are expecting more soon by outside mares.

Check out pictures and videos of them on our webstie. We will update regularly, every couple weeks with new pictures and videos.

www.sbrformulaone.com on the "Foals" page.
     

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