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    01-21-2012, 12:33 PM
  #11
Trained
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Originally Posted by cmarie    
Just curious on how you teach the stud for collection.
It's not hard really. We have a phantom that we call 'sally' and we take an in heat mare to stand next to her. We let the stallion woo the mare and when he's ready to mount we just redirect him to Sally, so he mounts there instead. Getting him used to the AV is a little trickier, might take a few tries till he gets used to it and until we get it just right. Once he's performed on the phantom a few times, we don't even need the mare to entice him.
     
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    01-21-2012, 12:37 PM
  #12
Yearling
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Originally Posted by Dreamcatcher Arabians    
It's not hard really. We have a phantom that we call 'sally' and we take an in heat mare to stand next to her. We let the stallion woo the mare and when he's ready to mount we just redirect him to Sally, so he mounts there instead. Getting him used to the AV is a little trickier, might take a few tries till he gets used to it and until we get it just right. Once he's performed on the phantom a few times, we don't even need the mare to entice him.
Do you use any kind of scents on Sally, or heat in the AV?
     
    01-21-2012, 12:46 PM
  #13
Trained
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Originally Posted by cmarie    
Do you use any kind of scents on Sally, or heat in the AV?
Nope, nothing on Sally, just a mare at her head if he needs a 'pin up girl' and we use warm water in the AV.
     
    01-21-2012, 12:48 PM
  #14
Green Broke
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Originally Posted by Dreamcatcher Arabians    
It's not hard really. We have a phantom that we call 'sally' and we take an in heat mare to stand next to her. We let the stallion woo the mare and when he's ready to mount we just redirect him to Sally, so he mounts there instead. Getting him used to the AV is a little trickier, might take a few tries till he gets used to it and until we get it just right. Once he's performed on the phantom a few times, we don't even need the mare to entice him.
The old bait and switch huh, that's happened to me a few times after too many margaritas.
hey I think you should give me a trained big Arab, let me endurace race him a few years, sponor my rides, let me win a few races, and I can put a " Dreamcatcher Arabs" logo on my trailer, tshirts, hats, whole 9 yards. I think that would be great !
     
    01-21-2012, 12:52 PM
  #15
Yearling
I've thought about doing the shipped semen but I haven't found anyone around here that does it, I would love to learn.
     
    01-21-2012, 12:55 PM
  #16
Trained
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Originally Posted by Joe4d    
The old bait and switch huh, that's happened to me a few times after too many margaritas.
Hey I think you should give me a trained big Arab, let me endurace race him a few years, sponor my rides, let me win a few races, and I can put a " Dreamcatcher Arabs" logo on my trailer, tshirts, hats, whole 9 yards. I think that would be great !
LOL, have another few margaritas Joe! HAH! Bait and switch indeed.....

I actually have a couple of Arabs that would probably be excellent at endurance. Might even think of selling one or 2 of them at very reasonable prices, but give away or sponsor? So sorry, can't do that! Unfortunately most endurance folks don't want to pay much for their ponies and there's sure no return in the breeding end.
     
    01-21-2012, 01:02 PM
  #17
Trained
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Originally Posted by cmarie    
I've thought about doing the shipped semen but I haven't found anyone around here that does it, I would love to learn.

Check with a couple of your local vets or see if you can find an Arabian breeding farm that will mentor you. I see you're in NV and I know there are several Arabian farms out there.

The collection process isn't hard, and prepping the semen for shipment isn't difficult, but it's time consuming and actually kind of expensive. It's also the most dangerous time to handle the stallion, especially if he's not real experienced. We all wear helmets, especially the guy on the AV, because getting a hoof to the head by accident is a very real possibility when you're in that vulnerable position. The main thing we stress here is ground manners for the stallion, long before he ever gets near a mare or an AV. We don't handle outside stallions AT ALL because most people haven't trained their boys as strictly as we do ours.

I used to work on a QH/Pinto farm and those stallions were PIGS due to lack of training. Everything was excused with, "Well, he's a stallion, what do you expect?" and my answer was always, "I expect him to behave or be cutlets." was always laughed at. They didn't think you COULD train a stallion. I didn't last real long there, wasn't willing to put up with hormonal teenagers on crack (their stallions) when I had 3 at home who KNEW they would die for even ONE of the things those stallions did every day. Wasn't willing to risk the injuries. I've never been bitten so many times, heck I'd NEVER been bitten EVER, until I went there.
     
    01-21-2012, 01:43 PM
  #18
Yearling
I have hand bred my boys but I mostly pasture breed to my girls I don't do outside mares, my paint stallion is very well mannered and won't mount when in hand unless told to, but he's older, and not just used as a stud, he does ranch work also. My older Icelandic stud is very easy to handle and is a gentlemen, my young Icelandic stud is a knot-head at the teenage idiot stage and will end up gelded this spring and a childs mount next year.

The one vet that I know that does AI may have burned down on Thursday we had a wind swept wild fire that burn 3100 acres and destroyed several homes and business in the area, alot of livestock were killed in the fire also, it's very sad, there was no time to get them all out the fire moved so fast.
     
    01-21-2012, 02:52 PM
  #19
Trained
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Originally Posted by cmarie    
I have hand bred my boys but I mostly pasture breed to my girls I don't do outside mares, my paint stallion is very well mannered and won't mount when in hand unless told to, but he's older, and not just used as a stud, he does ranch work also. My older Icelandic stud is very easy to handle and is a gentlemen, my young Icelandic stud is a knot-head at the teenage idiot stage and will end up gelded this spring and a childs mount next year.

The one vet that I know that does AI may have burned down on Thursday we had a wind swept wild fire that burn 3100 acres and destroyed several homes and business in the area, alot of livestock were killed in the fire also, it's very sad, there was no time to get them all out the fire moved so fast.
I read about the fires. Yes, there are some very well known and established Arabian farms there, Molly Stanley of Stanley Ranch is one. They breed Spanish Arabians and are very well thought of in the industry. Her home burned down but they saved the barns and outbuildings and all of the horses. I think I heard they've moved a mobile home onto the land until the house can be rebuilt. She would be someone who would probably cheerfully tell and show you everything you ever thought you wanted to know about transporting, collecting and AI.

I don't do any pasture breeding, but I have used my boys for in hand breeding. I started with the ground manners and "mother may I" when they were babies, so now it's just second nature. I also ride everyone who's old enough. I have a 5 year old who is shown in halter and ridden regularly, a 3 year old who will go under saddle this spring and a 2 year old that I want to show at Pinto Worlds in June. If he remains sweet until the judges look at him he'll stay intact until the show. If not, he can show as a gelding. None of them are difficult but the 2 year old is HUGE, comes from a 17+ hand father out of a 16.3 hand mother, so at 2 he's a moose. I don't tolerate SQUAT from him and so far that's been just fine. My theory is any good stallion will be an awesome gelding so they also know, "Snip Snip" means I'm getting tired of them and a talking to with the carrot stick as moderator is about to ensue.
     
    01-21-2012, 03:07 PM
  #20
Yearling
I'm glad they got the horses out some weren't so lucky, they just started letting people back in the area last night and today, they just opened back up the freeway this morning. I'll see if I can contact her later this spring, after things settle down. Thanks for the info.
     

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