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post #1 of 35 Old 01-11-2012, 07:49 PM Thread Starter
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Stud Horse Drama

Hi all, I am breeding my APHA mare for the 2012 season (hopefully). My issue is I just cannot find a good stud. It may just me being picky but, you kind of have to be. I'm looking for a homozygous tabiano stallion, with specific conformation. That shouldn't be hard to find right? Yes its been impossible If I do find a homozygous stallion, he has horrible conformation. And vice versa.

My mare is a solid so I have always heard you need a homozygous tabiano stud to produce 100% Color. But do I?

I recently found a perlino APHA/AQHA Stallion, beautiful conformation, local, the works. However he doesn't have a pattern. So my foal will come out solid right?

I need major help from some Paint horse breeders out there.
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post #2 of 35 Old 01-11-2012, 08:00 PM
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Welcome to the forum. Hopefully you have done your homework here and read many of the breeding threads. THis can be a brutally honest group when it comes to breeding, and if you are simply breeding for color, or you "just want a piece of your pweshus mare because she is so sweet" you will have a rude awakening.
So, I would strongly suggest you post what your mares special talents are-show record, points, etc, along with what her flaws may be that you are trying to correct, and what your hopes and expectations are for a foal.
THen perhaps someone who can help you will come along. THey are here, believe me.

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I love that you don't want to just accept any stud just because he has the 'pweety' colour you want. You are being selective on colour, which some people might tell you is stupid, but you are being smart about it. This is the situation in which I have no problem with people breeding for colour - you are checking all the important boxes such as conformation etc.

As for colour, tobiano is a fun one. Even a homozygous tobiano can have minimal or no pattern. Tobiano is a colour that is really a crapshoot. Breeding to a homozygous stallion guarantees that the foal receives a copy of the tobiano gene, but not that the foal will have loud white.

Also, please make sure your mare is tested for frame. It likes to hide, and can hide in 'solid' horses very easily. Knowing your mare's frame status will help narrow down stallion choices.
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post #4 of 35 Old 01-11-2012, 08:13 PM Thread Starter
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Trust me I am not just some idiot, breeding my mare because I want just color or a piece of my mare. I do NOT intend on selling the foal. I am very interested in advanced color genetics, i love the dilute gene. And that is why I am contemplating the perlino stud. The conformation of the stallion is very important to me because my mare has impeccable conformation. However when breeding Paint horses, color is a big part of the breed.
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Thanks Chiilaa, yes its just so frustrating because I have only found two stallions with conformation I like the best, and one is overo and the other is solid.
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post #6 of 35 Old 01-11-2012, 09:52 PM
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Can I ask which studs? Just more out of curiosity lol.

On the tobiano thing... I see a lot studs that should be geldings but aren't just because they are homozygous. Irritates the crap our of me.
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post #7 of 35 Old 01-11-2012, 10:19 PM Thread Starter
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NdAppy, I know what you mean lol

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Neither of them really turn my head. Is it safe to say you are looking for a foal that will do all-around general breed or open showing? That was my guess based on the two websites. If so, I'd try to drill that down a bit and choose a sire who better fits what you want to do with the foal.
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Well not surprised you are having trouble finding a stallion,as a good Quality Homozygous studs are few & far between.They may offer color but lack in the more important stuff like conformation & having a proven pedigree.I have seen them improve over the last 10 yrs for sure as people have been doing more outcrossing to QH & using Heterozygous tobianos matings to improve their herds.Best thing is to research amoungst the tobiano horses being shown around your area in at the APHA & Pinto shows. Find out the breeding lines,you will often find those more successful tobianos out there have come from the same breeding farms.I know it holds true around here
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post #10 of 35 Old 01-12-2012, 12:13 AM Thread Starter
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I was going to do AI but I'm starting to lean more towards live cover. Live cover certainly limits more of my options but my vet doesn't do AI so I would have to go to an equine reproduction center that is 45min from my barn.
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