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  • How close in bloodlines to breed horses
  • Is stallion too closely related to mare?

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    05-25-2013, 02:22 PM
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Foal
Are these bloodlines to close?

I am playing with the idea of breeding my Paso Fino mare to get a show horse. She has a great gait, nice bloodlines, and did well when shown in the past (her personality does not allow me to show her now, previous trainer ruined her on the arena).

I've found what I've felt is the perfect stud for her (I've always loved this stud, and talking with a couple of friends they wouldn't bat an eye at breeding the two). The stud is a proven producer.

My concern is that their bloodlines are to close (now I am not against line breeding at all, just one thing I'm on the fence about in an already small breed), but he is the only proven stud I feel comfortable breeding her to (any other stud is either not a proven producer yet or their babies are extremely difficult to handle).

Here are the stud's bloodlines:
Profeta De Besilu Paso Fino
(btw on the studs lines it says Resorte IV and Resorte Quarto, they are the same horse).

Here are the mare's:
La Excepcion De Piel Paso Fino
     
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    05-25-2013, 03:24 PM
  #2
Trained
I do not think you should worry about this cross. In fact I have seen horses more closely related than these two. Linebreeding or inbreeding are the only sure ways to set type and pass along the qualities you want.
I am not a fan of gaited horses yet that stallion has my attention. If your mare is of the same type and quality this mating should produce a very nice foal. Good luck. Shalom
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    05-25-2013, 05:27 PM
  #3
Weanling
Hi there! First to answer you question, no I do not think those bloodlines are to close. They are not any closer than most of the Paso Finos out there.


Let me give you a couple of things to consider though. First, have you considered what the cost will be for you to breed your mare to Profeta? Stud fees, shipment of semen which could include the cost of picking it up at the closest airport, vet checks, ultra sounds for your mare, and then what if she doesn't take?? You then start all over. You said you want to breed for a show horse and I don't blame you one single bit there's nothing more fun than have a cute little foal, watching it grow up and then being right there as it is trained for the show ring. But, do you realize that the Paso Fino show ring is very competitive. What level are you wanting to show at? Also something to think about is that there are lots of proven show horses out there for sale. Your talking years before this potential offspring would be ready to show. And there are lots of offspring by Profeta out there for sale. Just want to make sure you realize all your options before making a decision.

Is your mare a maiden mare or she a proven producer? Does she have offspring that have been in the show ring?

It can be expensive to breed. I'm not trying to discourage you at all. I just wanted to make sure you think about everything involved.

By the way, our stallion is out of Profeta
     
    05-25-2013, 10:55 PM
  #4
Foal
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Originally Posted by Farmchic    
Hi there! First to answer you question, no I do not think those bloodlines are to close. They are not any closer than most of the Paso Finos out there.


Let me give you a couple of things to consider though. First, have you considered what the cost will be for you to breed your mare to Profeta? Stud fees, shipment of semen which could include the cost of picking it up at the closest airport, vet checks, ultra sounds for your mare, and then what if she doesn't take?? You then start all over. You said you want to breed for a show horse and I don't blame you one single bit there's nothing more fun than have a cute little foal, watching it grow up and then being right there as it is trained for the show ring. But, do you realize that the Paso Fino show ring is very competitive. What level are you wanting to show at? Also something to think about is that there are lots of proven show horses out there for sale. Your talking years before this potential offspring would be ready to show. And there are lots of offspring by Profeta out there for sale. Just want to make sure you realize all your options before making a decision.

Is your mare a maiden mare or she a proven producer? Does she have offspring that have been in the show ring?

It can be expensive to breed. I'm not trying to discourage you at all. I just wanted to make sure you think about everything involved.

By the way, our stallion is out of Profeta
Figured I'd answer the questions lol

Cost: I have considered it. I am aware he is one of (if not the most) expensive stallion in the breed. It is originally what turned me off of him. I realized looking around and talking with several people he was the only stallion who really suited my needs.

Also I am not planning to make money off of this. The foal would probably be sold, but I don't expect to make a profit.

The mare: she has been bred twice, her first foal died in an accident (the foal was never registered and a breeding report never submitted so I have no idea if this is true, but seeing as I talk with her original breeders who bred her first I don't see why they would lie to me). The second foal was killed by a trainer (if you are in the Pasos you probably know him, and he is no longer training).

So unfortunately the mare is not considered a proven producer in that sense. As far as a show record she was shown when she was younger, and did fairly well. She has the quality to be shown now but the trainer who killed her foal also ruined her on the ring, and she is so ring sour she could never make it through a class.

The mare is Pleasure and a very nice pleasure (I'd give you video of her but I have no decent videos of her and am not currently with her atm). With Profeta you could get anything and my hope would be for a monster Pleasure or even a fino. It wouldn't just be local shows and small classes to compete, I'd be expecting a foal with quality that performs. I hope that answers the question about what level to show at.

Again I am not planning to make money off of this. I've been thinking about this for several years and this wouldn't happen for at least another 2 years (unless I suddenly come into a lot of money which isn't likely). I feel my mare really could have been something had it not been for the man I hate the most. Being bred to the right stallion, a very proven producer like Profeta, I would hope the quality of the offspring would only improve and with the right training can really become something.
     
    05-26-2013, 07:59 AM
  #5
Weanling
It sounds like you know what you want. I hope everything works out for you to be able to breed to the stallion of your choice. Babies are great fun
     
    05-26-2013, 08:54 AM
  #6
Green Broke
So, you're breeding & expect to sell, but aren't trying to make any money form it? I don't see the point.
     
    05-26-2013, 09:49 AM
  #7
Yearling
^Breeding shouldn't be about making a profit. Many of the breeders I know breed because they enjoy the matchmaking process, the dialing, the while nine yards. Breeding should be about putting a quality foal on the ground that is an improvement upon the parents.
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