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        06-13-2009, 11:31 AM
      #11
    Foal
    Eh I knew I shouldn't have came back to this forum . Yes I do have another account but I havent posted on this forum for a while so I forgot my horse_luver4e password.

    There's no point in arguing with you guys but whatever. It's not like I have this poorly grade mare I have a full paint and I will be breeding her to a full paint and I'm not selling the foal I'm keeping it. I understand why you say why not just buy a foal, but I could ask you the same question, why not just adopt your kids? There are tons of unwanted children out there as is horses but you choose to have your own. I didn't say I wanted just color I'm saying that's something I want but not if I have to sacrifice conformation and personality. I really wouldn't care if the foal came out with blue and green spots I would still love it. I helped my friend bring up her foal and start it on the ground and Angel is two this year so we are saddling her soon and getting her used to the saddle and it's been amazing so I want to bring up my own.

    Thanks alot though you guys I understand where you all are coming from and thanks for the advise.
         
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        06-13-2009, 12:04 PM
      #12
    Showing
    If the first few lines out of anyone's "breeding my mare" post is regarding color, I generally shake my head because the priorities just aren't there.
    Since most of your post was regarding color and Janie's appearance post-foal, my answers are still the same as when you asked this same question with your other account.

    If you want color, buy it, because the chances of getting the color you want out of Janie is very slim, about 50% for either color IF you breed to the right colored stallions - and for the color you want, there will be more crappy stallions (because they're colored) than good ones.
         
        06-13-2009, 12:57 PM
      #13
    Foal
    Paint horses are bred for color. Anyway I'm off of here.
         
        06-13-2009, 01:03 PM
      #14
    Trained
    I have to say I'm a bit offended when you say "why don't you just adopt kids".
    Have you ever been pregnant? Ever gave birth to your own child? If not that I really don't think you should be saying something like that, as you do not know the joys of being pregnant with a child. Most women chose to get pregnant and go through great lengths to get pregnant. Ever known someone who couldn't get pregnant or would miscarry one pregnancy after another? Ever see how it affects them? Imagine telling them to just "go adopt". IMO you have to be pretty heartless to do that.

    Ok, pregnancy rant over.

    You cannot compare the unwanted horse population to the unwanted child population. With the horse market and economy the way it is, people should be doing things in their power to decrease the number of horses out there, not increase.
    You also cannot say you will have this foal, or any horse forever as you just don't know what the future holds. There may be a time when you cannot financially or physically care for your horse(s) and will have to part ways.
    You should be wanting to breed with the intentions of producing an exceptional foal (which will include conformation, pedigree and personality) just in case the time comes when you have to sell. You'd want your foal going to a good home and not be slaughter bound right?

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    I helped my friend bring up her foal and start it on the ground and Angel is two this year so we are saddling her soon and getting her used to the saddle and it's been amazing so I want to bring up my own.
    Were you there for the birth of the foal? Did you see everything that goes on? Have you read up about the good, the bad and the ugly that comes with breeding? (if not I suggest you start by reading Breeding Gone Wrong. These are first hand experiences of breedings that didn't go according to plan and the owner either lost the mare, the foal or both.) Are you willing to put Janie Belle's life in danger? The unborn foal's?

    According to your first post, you said nothing about conformation or personality...
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    I really want a foal to start and I really want a palomino paint or a grullo paint. But can you get a palomino or a grullo out of a bay dun mare?
    Not trying to start anything, just pointing out why you have gotten the responses you have gotten.

    I still stand by my original post. If you are looking to start a foal, and want great conformation and personality, and color, you're better of buying it.
         
        06-13-2009, 01:04 PM
      #15
    Trained
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by CowPony    
    Paint horses are bred for color. Anyway I'm off of here.
    Um, not really. They are bred for conformation, pedigree and talent. Yes some breeders do breed for color, but not all.
         
        06-13-2009, 01:16 PM
      #16
    Cat
    Green Broke
    A GOOD paint horse breed breeds for color as "icing on the cake" so to speak. Conformation, performance, etc all come first.
         
        06-13-2009, 01:30 PM
      #17
    Showing
    Great posts Darylann, and I agree Cat.

    Most Paint breeders I know of look at the horses' conformation, mind, show record, etc first, and lastly comes color. The fact that it's paramount to you does unnerve me.
         
        06-13-2009, 04:47 PM
      #18
    Showing
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    Originally Posted by JustDressageIt    
    Are you formerly known on this board as Horselover_4ever or something to that effect?
    If so, then we have had this talk before, and my answer hasn't changed.

    If not - breeding for color should be the LAST thing on your mind. The fact that you want a certain color does scare me, what happens if the foal doesn't turn out to be that color?
    If you want a certain color, go buy it - you'll be able to find a horse of the color you like for less than a stud fee.

    You are putting your mare at risk by breeding. She could develop "broodmare belly."
    It sounds as though the aesthetics of the whole thing is first and foremost in your mind at the moment, it might be best for you to sit down and really think first.
    What if the foal isn't the right color? What if the foal has conformation faults? What if the foal has health problems?
    I couldn't agree more. I would that idea a little more thought before making some decisions you are going to regret.
         
        06-13-2009, 10:32 PM
      #19
    Green Broke
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    Originally Posted by CowPony    
    Paint horses are bred for color. Anyway I'm off of here.
    That's why you have a solid colored bay Paint right? I guess whoever bred her missed that memo.
         
        06-13-2009, 11:18 PM
      #20
    Started
    First, I completely agree with all the posters on here.

    However, I will go into your color question, as I'm obsessed with horse color genetics. NOT with getting certain colors out of my breedings, but knowing exactly what horses are and what possibilities there are, just because it fascinates me. I've even had a GELDING color tested due to my obsession ;)

    Anyhow, it may not be possible, AT ALL, for your bay dun to produce a palomino or a grulla. If she is EE, you will NEVER get a palomino. If she is AA, you will NEVER get a grulla. If she is both EE and AA you will NEVER get either, no matter what color you breed her to. The only way to know is to have her tested. You can get extension and agouti done for $40 via Animal Genetics in Florida.
    Palomino is ee and nCr. Doesn't matter the agouti status.
    Grullo is E_ aa with the dun gene.
         

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