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post #21 of 34 Old 06-14-2009, 12:24 AM
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First, I completely agree with all the posters on here.

However, I will go into your color question, as I'm obsessed with horse color genetics. NOT with getting certain colors out of my breedings, but knowing exactly what horses are and what possibilities there are, just because it fascinates me. I've even had a GELDING color tested due to my obsession ;)

Anyhow, it may not be possible, AT ALL, for your bay dun to produce a palomino or a grulla. If she is EE, you will NEVER get a palomino. If she is AA, you will NEVER get a grulla. If she is both EE and AA you will NEVER get either, no matter what color you breed her to. The only way to know is to have her tested. You can get extension and agouti done for $40 via Animal Genetics in Florida.
Palomino is ee and nCr. Doesn't matter the agouti status.
Grullo is E_ aa with the dun gene.
Interesting post!!

I'm tempted to get Denny done just for curiosity sake; I'm pretty sure he's a Sabino chestnut, but someone said he was probably Smoky as well; he has dark spots and darker chestnut points, and his tail is really dark compared to his body. Hm.


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post #22 of 34 Old 06-14-2009, 01:32 AM
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There's no point in arguing with you guys but whatever. It's not like I have this poorly grade mare I have a full paint and I will be breeding her to a full paint and I'm not selling the foal I'm keeping it. I understand why you say why not just buy a foal, but I could ask you the same question, why not just adopt your kids? There are tons of unwanted children out there as is horses but you choose to have your own.
EXCUSE ME??? Since when can you compare a human life and a horse? By the way, I am one of five children. My four siblings are adopted. Seems pretty darned nervy to compare the purchase of an animal to bringing a child into your family.

With children, it's not biology that makes them yours; it's responsibility. I can tell you this as my daughter nearly died at birth when she was born at 22 5/7 weeks. Hospital people were responsible for her. It took a long time to develop the relationship we now have.

I love horses. But there is no way on the face of this earth that horse compare to human beings. You are not giving birth to a foal. The horse you OWN will. Your mare doesn't feel a biological need to be a mommy. Your mare wants to breed when she's in heat due to hormonal issues.

OK, done with my rant for the moment. I find your insinuation that adoption of a child is somehow second best. I find it even more offensive that you'd suggest that horse ownership is comparable to parenthood.

I'd say the OP is not nearly ready to breed a horse.

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Smokey is a black horse that has one cream gene if it's smokey black, and two if it's smokey cream. No such thing as a smokey chestnut. If a chestnut has cream, it's palomino. Many chestnuts have darker spots and even darker manes/tails. Sounds like he could possibly be a sooty chestnut, or just have some random dark places here and there. And sabino only tests one of the MANY forms of sabino, so I find the test pretty pointless to do, IMO :)
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Sooty! That's the term I was searching for! Thank you!
Not smoky... silly me.


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Hehe, no problem :) There's not test for sooty though :( It can do some neat things to horses!
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Thanx CheyAut, I think I will go get Janie tested. My friend and I have found a nice stallion in our area and the owners are ready to settle some business if we decide he's the one. I think Janie will be a good mom, were all very excited! Thanx guys!

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Cowpony best of luck. I hope it turns out well for you. I understand your desire to have a foal of your own. I do think we can tend to be a little quick to squash anyone's desire to have their own foal. I think the main thing is to be educated going into that you could lose your mare and the baby, that you could have lots of monetary expense, etc. Your mare may be just fine after but what if she isn't? Are you okay with that?

Having said all that I do think your comparison with adopting a child is a bit naive. There are lots of kids needing homes but adopting them is not easy. Also they are rarely healthy newborns without any issues. Fact is it is much easier to go buy a healthy weanling or yearling horse than it is to adopt a healthy child. Its a completely different situation and of course we are talking human life, not an animal per se.

I do think because of the extreme amount of unwanted horses and dogs and cats, etc. right now is a bad time to breed unless you have a very specific purpose and goal. I think its great you plan to keep and love the baby no matter what. However you could provide a home to a lovely existing baby, get the exact color you want and still get to raise a baby from the start.

However sounds like you are wanting your own and there is nothing wrong with that, sounds like you are equipped to deal with the possibilities and issues and have the means to support another horse so best of luck and if and when you have a baby share the pics .......
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I have to say I'm a bit offended when you say "why don't you just adopt kids".
Actually I wouldn't mind to adopt a kid (especially from poor country) in addition to own. But it's just way too expensive (at least from the county I'd like to adopt from).

The responsible breeder try to add a color on top of everything else. Unfortunately, too many paint breeders only go for color and it's disgusting. NOT ALL though! Even though my paint came from BYB (in sense of care and all), the old guy still tried to combine the athleticism and color and look for nicely conformational studs and mares (also looked at the bloodlines).

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Anyhow, it may not be possible, AT ALL, for your bay dun to produce a palomino or a grulla. If she is EE, you will NEVER get a palomino. If she is AA, you will NEVER get a grulla. If she is both EE and AA you will NEVER get either, no matter what color you breed her to. The only way to know is to have her tested. You can get extension and agouti done for $40 via Animal Genetics in Florida.
Palomino is ee and nCr. Doesn't matter the agouti status.
Grullo is E_ aa with the dun gene.
Wow! That's pretty interesting!
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